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Thursday, 23 April 2015

What was up with that Black Widow scene in Avengers: Age of Ultron?

I was going to post an Age of Ultron review today, but since the movie isn't out in the U.S. until next week, I've decided to stick with one specific topic: that bizarre conversation between Bruce Banner and Black Widow.

SPOILER WARNING: This post (obviously) contains spoilers, but only for one scene between Bruce Banner and Black Widow.

If you've seen the movie, you may already know what I'm talking about. It's the scene where Natasha tells Bruce she was sterilized during her childhood spy training, and how this makes her a "monster" like the Hulk. "It makes everything easier," she says. "Even killing."

This conversation was so terrible that I actually double-checked with several friends to see if they interpreted it the same way. They did. So: let's unpack what the hell was going on in the mind of acclaimed feminist Joss Whedon when he crafted this masterpiece. (By the way, Scarlett Johansson was pregnant while filming this movie.)


Bruce and Natasha begin the movie in the early stages of a tentative romance. He mentions that he can't have children, and she says that she can't either: she was forcibly sterilized as a teenager.

This backstory is horrifying, but it gels with what we already know about Natasha. She was trained (or brainwashed) as a child by a Russian spy agency, where girls were taught to be perfect assassins. From their perspective, it was "expedient" to sterilize their students, preventing unwanted pregnancies and cutting off another potential family tie. But instead of being handled sensitively, this backstory concluded with Natasha describing herself as a "monster" because she couldn't have biological children. Sterilization made it easier for her and her colleagues to kill people.



So, either the movie is dehumanizing Natasha because she can't get pregnant, or she thinks of herself as a monster as a result of abuse she suffered as a child. Here are my top three explanations for what was going on in this scene.

Explanation #1

MAYBE my friends and I all misinterpreted the scene. Maybe she wasn't referring to infertility as "monstrous," and instead was speaking in general terms about her past as an assassin. But if she was speaking generally, then why mention it right after she and Bruce were talking about infertility? Unfortunately, I think this explanation is unlikely.

Explanation #2

She is speaking in half-truths. She was sterilized as a child, but she only mentioned it to try and connect with Bruce. Sure, she likes him, but the only way she knows how to bond with people is through manipulation. This would explain why she compares herself to Bruce and the Hulk, although if this IS the case, we're still looking at a scene where Natasha equates infertility with inhumanity -- even if she doesn't actually feel that way.

Explanation #3

She literally thinks that she is a monster because she cannot have biological children.


Looking at each of these explanations, I'm brought back to Bruce's reaction, which was... not much, if I recall correctly? The obvious response was to tell her that she isn't a monster, and that the people who did this to her are the real monsters. But that didn't happen. Instead, Bruce just sort of ignored Natasha's bizarre assertion that infertility is like being the Hulk.

Is it realistic for someone who experienced forced sterilization to think of themselves like this? I don't know. Perhaps if she had been raised to believe that motherhood is the purpose of a woman's life, but there's no evidence to suggest she was. It makes sense for her to be traumatized by the abuse she experienced during her training, but to compare sterility with inhumanity? WHAT THE HELL.

If taken at face value, Black Widow's statement isn't just offensive, it's damaging. She is the most prominent female character in the Avengers franchise, and the only major female character who isn't a love interest. And now, in a movie that will be watched by millions of impressionable kids (and no doubt many adults with fertility issues), Black Widow says that she feels like a monster because she can't have biological children. Do I really need to explain why this is was a terrible idea?

Next: Age of Ultron, Part 1: The Empire of Tony Stark

1,138 comments:

  1. It's extra weird because of the whole Frankenstein + Creation theme going on with Tony (and Bruce) in the first place. Like, this conversation happens when they're under Clint's roof and there's a family environment, which is obviously seen as a positive and lovely thing. But the MCU is filled with stories about people being damaged by parents/parental figures/death of parents etc, so this sudden burst of "having a family is really important and obviously everyone's goal in life" is... really odd, imo.

    Idk. I wonder if the scene was the result of two separate scenes being merged together - Natasha having feelings about family and what it means and how she has had one avenue of building a family removed from her, and Natasha and Bruce talking about actions and responsibility and what it means to be a monster. It's like, individual lines of that scene are interesting and make sense, but as a whole it was just one mess and made me want to ragequit on the movie.

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    1. Yeah, I wanted to compare it to Hawkeye in the post but I removed that bit to make it as spoiler-free as possible. I'm sure this was a purposeful juxtaposition, but it was kinda misguided. Like, Clint is also a killer, AND recently went through being brainwashed, AND has this utopian home life with a Perfect Supportive Wife, while natasha gets this bizarre monster/infertility storyline. which isn't intrinsically bad in itself, but seemed really poorly handled and also not the best of ideas when you only have one female superhero and she doesn't have her own movie for backstory development. i see where they were coming from, but it didnt work for me and i think it's also not going to work for A LOT of other people.

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    2. I feel like this is all taken out of context. Hawkeye and Natasha didn't train together to become assassins (their storylines are written in the comics already).

      Natasha is saying she's a monster because she was created to become an efficient killer.

      The people who worked in the Red Room believed that if they sterilized her, it would make her more efficient at killing.

      She's a monster because she was created to kill. Not because of some fem-hating damsel in distress nonsense.

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    3. THANK YOU Anonymous. Black Widow isn't say that not being able to have children makes her a monster, she is saying that being created to kill so efficiently is what makes her a monster.

      AND it is okay for her character to want to have kids, her face lights up with Hawkeye's children, and she tried to fail so she wouldn't be sterilized, having the choice taken from her has obviously had a huge effect on her and that is okay, because Natasha is a human and this just makes her more human... the fact that she believe she is a monster because she was made to kill is what makes her even more human.

      I thought it was perfect. Joss Whedon should stop getting shit from writing a great story just because he made Black Widow a real person and not just a cold blooded killer.

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    4. I think Natasha, to some extent, hates herself. From within that frame of mind you'd view something like sterility as one more confirmation that you're a monster. She's been traumatized and has done terrible things, and it's easier for her to see herself as a monster than as a human being who deserves to be loved. Bruce is similar but he's more confused and less emotionally intelligent. Natasha can imagine her and Bruce being happy together. Bruce, always angry, is in a constant state of despair, and is reluctant to reciprocate Natasha's affections.

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  2. I havent seen the movie yet but here is my take on it. I think both of them connected on a level in which both characters had a form of their sexuality tampered with. Natasha was sterilized while Bruce in the Hulk movie in 2008 could not be sexually active do to his heart rate increasing. I am not sure if Natahsa being sterilized impedes on sexual activity but if it does, both of their cases would be a deep blow to them. We are sexual beings by nature and not being able to connect on that level with the one you love can have a strain on a relationship. It makes you monstrous in a way because it takes away something that makes them human.

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    1. But that interpretation also insinuates asexuals are monstrous.

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    2. As an asexual person, I had no idea that I was secretly a monster.

      *devours your city*

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    3. "We are sexual beings by nature and not being able to connect on that level with the one you love can have a strain on a relationship. It makes you monstrous in a way because it takes away something that makes them human."

      Another asexual. Um, please rethink this.

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    4. but in this scene, they don't really seem to be discussing sexual activity, more just the ability to have kids. i think it's implied that bruce (maybe) still can't have sex, but if so, this is surely something black widow already knows. also (and i can't believe this needs saying, lol), not wanting to have sex or not being able to have sex does not make you monstrous.

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    5. We are sexual beings by nature and not being able to connect on that level with the one you love can have a strain on a relationship. It makes you monstrous in a way because it takes away something that makes them human.

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  3. Stuff I got: It's not so much that sterility is compared with inhumanity, it's more the abused feeling monstrous because for so long, the abuser defined and limited her identity. because she was experimented on without her consent and (she feels) broken (to Julie Delpy: 'you're going to break them'). Maybe it's more she feels she lacks humanity b/c they bred her to lack it (and the sterlization is sort of the tip of the iceberg b/c it's the graduation). I had some other stuff about how this sort of splits off a bit from the other films but it got away from sorry. On another front, it's sort of an interesting moment because Bruce/Hulk is all about control over physical form and she's sort of serving as this reminder that women often struggle just as much with control of their physical being but more from outside forces.

    That line about how a child would be the only thing that could possibly distract a woman from her mission was weird though, yeah. And you could have a whole nother conversation about why Whedon is SO focused on abuse narratives (esp for his female characters), but to me it was saying something other than not having children=monstrous.

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    1. Sorry, I should have said 'and (she feels like she was) broken'. It's tough because abuse/survival identities in fiction are kind of never one thing or another thing, and I don't want to give the impression that she's is ONLY broken or that she's still wholly living in that moment.

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    2. the thing is, it absolutely makes sense for bruce and natasha to bond over the fact that they have both done terrible things and hurt people for reasons that they couldn't necessarily control. this is, I THINK, what this scene and/or her flashback was probably meant to illustrate. but when you're judging by the actual text of what happened in the scene, it seemed much more like she was directly linking infertility with a lack of empathy, and it wasn't made clear that this was the opinion of her trainers rather than what she personally believed to be true.

      at best, it's an extremely clumsy scene that MANY people have misinterpreted in the same way, which is almost as bad as the scene intentionally saying that infertility = monstrousness. i think there's probably a place in this kind of abuse/survival narrative for a woman to feel like she has been dehumanized, or that her abusers were trying to dehumanize HER. but the scene doesn't actually critique this idea, it just presents it at face value -- and bruce doesn't disagree. in a superhero blockbuster movie where most people are watching on a pretty superficial level, this is an irresponsibly ambiguous way to present that scene. i'm all for tackling emotionally complex topics in this type of movie, but i think this scene basically... failed.

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    3. (Different poster than the anon above.)

      I agree that the scene was clumsy and not very well written. However, I'm among those who didn't get the infertile = monster -implication from the scene. The way I read it was that as Bruce was talking about not being able to give Nat a family life because he's a monster, Nat replied that she can't have a family life anyway due to her infertility and, as a result of the training which made also her infertile, is a monster as well.

      Even if we read the scene as saying infertility = monstrousness, I wouldn't agree that it's an "irresponsibly ambiguous way to present the scene". It can be a dramatically justified storytelling choice for someone to make an incorrect or psychologically unhealthy statement, and for someone not to contradict that. Not every scene which addresses emotionally complex topics has to be therapeutic, sometimes it can just be messy. Even in blockbusters.

      Anyway, my take wasn't that Nat was equating her infertility to Bruce's monstrosity, but connecting on the inability to form a family.

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    4. Same anon as the original one: I agree it wasn't a well handled scene (actually felt this is the case with a LOT of the Bruce/Natasha scenes - Whedon seems to have liked the conceit of them together as a way to explore ideas about autonomy than you know, as two human beings). I'm not sure if I agree that it was so mishandled it was bordering on socially irresponsible - although during the scene I did think people would get from it what you and many others have, so in that sense I can see why some see depiction and others endorsement. IDK, maybe I'm just kind of sensitive to Whedon's previous depictions of abuse (and the ways it's inevitably tied to women's bodies), but I really did get quite a clear implication from it that it wasn't her infertility that made her monstrous, it was the that they forcibly sterilised her (and by extension, moulded her entire body and identity into something not of her own control) that made her see herself as 'monstrous'. They disconnected her from herself before she even had the capability to decide who that would be. And I feel like Scarlett's self loathing when she spat out that word kind of did work as a commentary for me - she made it so personal and self-directed that it emphasised how this was about the twisted legacy of abuse that you can never fully uproot, and not a blanket insinuation about women's fertility? I think I'm also kind of really interested by people (esp women) who do identify as monstrous, I guess, so it's quite possible I'm wanting to read /too/ much into it!

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    5. How dare yo

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    6. I never took it as referring to anything but the fact that she killed people for a living. Plus she doesn't really think Hulk is a monster and doesn't feel that way about herself otherwise or else she'd be paralyzed by self doubt and loathing the way he is. Steve Rogers even has a line in the movie about proving that they (the Avengers) are not monsters.

      Also, let's not overlook the fact that a lot of real people do think women who don't procreate be it due to nature or choice are somehow "wrong." I think people are projecting their own insecurities or maybe suffering from a Freudian slip if they linked being a monster to anything but being an assassin. I think "assassin" has also developed a cool factor that people have forgotten that it's not a good thing to be, which is the deeper underlying issue I see.

      Also, I don't think the scene was clumsy. I think people had an agenda and looked for whatever they could to support their agenda, even if it meant overlooking all evidence to the contrary. If people come away from that movie thinking Black Widow, the one who keeps fighting no matter what, has been weakened and not Bruce Banner, the one who keeps running from everyone and everything, I don't know what.

      His non-reaction says nothing about her and everything about him. Even after her sharing something intimate with him, he's too hung up on himself and his own problems.

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    7. This is completely right. Well said. Thank you. Im a female who doenst want kids, youre right about sociey and people telling me its wrong, but you are even more right about the scene in the movie.
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  4. ( SPOILER warning: I have tried to keep my comment to the issues within this scene, but I alluded to other potential spoilers, so read at your own risk.)

    No doubt, there are many different ways to read this scene, but the problematic issue for me is the fact that it will likely be taken at face value for most of the audience, and having a major female character in a superhero franchise be shaped by her infertility is extremely damaging.

    For those who have watched the movie, some of the other characters are also battling their own trauma issues, like Bruce and his struggle as the Hulk. That they chose to focus on sterilization and infertility for Natasha, against all the other similar plotlines of trauma, makes this whole conversation even more terrible for me.

    And indeed, Natasha's assertion that infertility = monstrous (regarding her own body) is not to be taken in isolation. What the movie reveals to us about Natasha is that she is relatively okay with her identity as an assassin, and the truly monstrous part about her is that she is infertile/was sterilized. If I remember correctly, it is revealed that she tried to avoid graduation, that graduation was the most dehumanising part about her and everything prior to that was acceptable. Also agreeing with the anon above, the statement about having a child was the only possible distraction for a female assassin further adds to this issue.

    All of these things, when taken as a whole, ultimately comes to the unfortunate and damaging conclusion that infertility = inhuman/monstrous, and that women are defined by their biology. This deeply affects the portrayal of Natasha, and will continue to shape how the audience perceive the role that women play in superhero franchises.

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    1. yeah, it's very much out of left field, given her previous characterization. it DEFINITELY makes sense for her to feel a sense of loss from something as traumatic as forced sterilization, but it was a bizarre decision to have the scene focus on this rather than the aspect that actually seems to trouble her in day-to-day life: her backstory as an assassin, who almost certainly killed many innocent people.

      the "red in my ledger" stuff in the last movie was a great introduction to this idea, and they should have extrapolated from there instead. if they felt the need to include natasha's infertility, it should have been presented more explicitly as her saying to bruce, "i had this thing done to me without my consent, just like you." instead, it was more like, "i had this thing done to me, and it made me into a monster, like the hulk."

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    2. I absolutely agree. There were many issues they could have touched on with Natasha, and other ways they could have approached/introduced Natasha's infertility. All of this could be done and still have it be in line with her previous characterization. The fact that they chose to introduce it in such a manner demonstrates a sexist oversight, to me.

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    3. Bruce Banner seems to have a bigger problem with his infertility than she does. He's the one allowing it to stop him from living his life. She's bummed about hers but not incapacitated. That was my takeaway from the scene.

      Also, there's a difference between forced sterilization, natural sterility and choosing to become sterilized. I'm not going to feel dehumanized when I go through menopause or if I choose to remove organs to avoid cancer, but I would feel dehumanized if someone did it to me against my will. I shouldn't feel that way, but you can't apply should and shouldn't to an emotional response.

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  5. I have a simpler take:

    - There's been no spark or sign of a romance between Natasha and Bruce previously (their interaction has, indeed, involved a lot of her running frantically away from The Hulk).
    - The writer decided he wanted a romance between Natasha and Bruce.
    - The writer chose to give them an 'affinity' (being a monster) to try to justify why Natasha suddenly wants Bruce.

    I would have thought being an assassin (all that red in her ledger) was enough to make Natasha think she's a monster, if she needs to think herself a monster for the writer to justify the development.

    I also dislike the only main female character being given a 'Fae Wray part' of 'soothing the beast'. Natasha is not responsible for controlling Bruce's anger. I really hope this whole sub-plot is dropped entirely in future stories.

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    1. i mean, this is probably the explanation for why they included this scene, but it doesn't actually explain/excuse what actually... happened in the scene. they were trying to compare natasha's history with bruce's history, which is a valid comparison because they've both killed innocent people and will feel guilty about it for the rest of their lives. but it was bizarre and unpleasant to introduce natasha's infertility as an aspect of her "monstrousness."

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    2. Uhm, nope. Just nope.

      Natasha doesn't actually see herself nor Hulk as monsters, nor is that why she likes him. The beginning of the movie doesn't pick up from the end of the last movie, and it's apparent the Avengers have been reunited and working as a team for awhile. I think she's drawn to his intellect and sensitivity. Those are generally appealing traits. His self loathing, not so much. The whole point of the scene, and a running theme throughout the movie, is that she doesn't let what she is or what she's lost keep her down. He does.

      He runs and hides from everything, but she fights the good fight no matter what was done to her or what she has done. She even makes a choice that risks alienating him because saving the world is more important. Instead of recognizing what she did and why she did it, he just runs and hides like he always does.

      And she doesn't go after him. She goes back to work.

      As for the Fae Wray thing, Natasha was an assassin. Becoming a handler seems like a natural progression. It is, however, bad for a relationship, which the movie made pretty clear.

      Bruce needs to be in control of himself. I think the movie made that pretty clear, too. It's bad for him to feel out of control, and it puts too much of a strain on the team for him to require hand holding.

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  6. Um, I haven't seen the movie, but is it possible that when she calls herself a monster she's referring to being a russian spy who killed a bunch of people, and her comment about being sterilized was a reply to Bruce's comment about being unable to have children? Their biggest similarity is that they were unwillingly turned into monsters, Bruce's case was just more literal.

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    1. that may have been how they meant it, and it's how it probably SHOULD have been. but the scene itself made it seem far more like black widow was saying infertility made it easier to kill people, and that being sterilized was part of the reason why she became a "monster" like the hulk. it definitely makes sense to compare bruce and natasha's backstories because they both have "red in their ledger," but this isn't really how the scene played out.

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    2. Yes, exactly, and that's all that's going on in this scene. Sheesh.

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  7. I haven't seen the film, but the moment I heard something was off about Whedon's writing and it involved Natasha my first thought was 'OH NO it has to do with Scarlett's pregnancy doesn't it?'

    I wasn't right, but it seems Whedon still has a weird pregnancy thing, so that's ~super~

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  8. Although I'm 98% certain this was a brazen, sexist oversight, it's still really interesting for Natasha as a character rather than as a Symbolic Female. To feel that having been violated makes her a monster, and that the experience, or feeling like a monster, made it easier to kill, is a really interesting insight into Natasha's psychology. I mean, if a man had expressed this sentiment, fandom would be crying a thousand tears. However, the fact of the matter is, Natasha is a Symbolic Female, because the rest of the avengers are men. In a world where gender inequality is still a very real thing, the statement is bafflingly insensitive and incredibly damaging. That's metafictionally speaking. On the Watsonian hand, if handled with sensitivity, Whedon unintentionally handed fandom the golden ticket to grimly insightful Black Widow angst.

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    1. The people who trained her believed sterilization made it easier to kill. However, despite her sterilization, she still feels guilty for killing. She also chose to become a hero instead of wallowing in her past mistakes or present predicament. She didn't say she was a monster because she believed it but because she was trying to convey something to Bruce. Humanity is a choice, not something that can be taken away. If Bruce could understand that, maybe he could have more control over himself as the Hulk.

      Her character arc reminds me a lot of Spike from Buffy and Angel actually. He was literally dehumanized, but made a choice to reclaim his humanity. Black Widow and Hulk are just extensions of ideas Whedon always explored through his characters, male or female. There are no real monsters in the Whedonverse. Everyone, does monstrous things but it's up to them if they let it define them or choose another way.

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  9. This is how I saw it: Bruce was saying "I can't have children because they'll be monsters like me (they'll be little Hulks, Bruce says "genetically I can't"), so I can't have a life with you." Natasha says "I can't have children either so if you're only monster (if you are defined only by the Hulk) then I guess that makes me a monster too," which is her way of saying to him "if you don't see me as a monster (because you care for me) then you can't see yourself as a monster too, we are more than that and CAN have a life together."

    She's saying the Hulk is part of the hurt inside of him that he has to deal with, and yes it might mean he can't be a father. But it doesn't mean he can't have love and intimacy and a house and life with someone, with her maybe. She's believed this about herself for a long time (which can and does happen with victims of abuse) and now she's ready to try and have all that. She's realized she is more than the supposed monster she was molded into (which is her arc in Winter Soldier, remember when Cap says "who are you" and she says "whatever you want me to be").

    So I think it's the opposite, she is NOT saying infertility makes her a monster "like the Hulk." She is saying infertility does NOT make her a monster, which is a very feminist thing to say, because for a patriarch women have only inherent value as mothers and Tasha is saying "I have value and you should love me and make a life with me, and our infertility has nothing to do with it."

    And if you want to ask why she brings it up, it's because Bruce brings it up first. He says "are you crazy, I can't run away with you because I can't have a family, I can't have kids." And she says "but we don't need kids to have a life together."

    Also Barton was brainwashed for a few days, as a fully formed grown up, and through magic. Natasha was brought up being brainwashed. Her whole childhood. And the fact that she is "aunt Nat" and Barton's children love her goes a long way to show how she beat the brainwashing.

    Sorry for the long comment but yeah, there's a LOT to unpack in that small scene. I think it's the "mewling quim" moment in this movie: turn the misogynist language ("infertile women are monsters") against them.

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    1. Just wanted to say, I really like this reading of the scene, and I wished that this was made a lot more explicit in the film. Because, yes, despite Natasha's declaration that she is a monster after Bruce's statement, she still fights for a relationship between them.

      Had the movie focused more on the "we can still have a relationship despite the bad shit that has happened in our life", and actually show that they were trying to convey the opposite of what was said, I wouldn't have taken so much issue with Natasha's statement.

      The fact that her statement was supposed to be the most impactful part of the scene and a deep revelation of her character, that is what makes it problematic for me.

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    2. This is spot on. For people wanting it to be more explicit... with everything going on in this movie, they really didn't have time (and it would become tedious) if they outrightly stated every theme.

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  10. I think it is more that after everything she has been through and been 'forced' (?) do to she feels like a monster. I never got the impression that she says she's a monster because of the infertility. I think that is the view of her abusers, that she was able to do more because she wouldn't be 'weighed down' with children. I thought she said it to show Bruce that they could have the relationship. Bruce's reason (being that they couldn't have kids so he couldn't have a relationship) was trying to push her away, to protect him and Natasha. She told him to make him see that although she probably would have loved kids, it didn't matter because she couldn't either. The whole monster bit to me was referring to all the things she had done in the past is what makes her a monster - not being infertile.

    But at the end of the day, what you perceive is probably what is more relevant to you. You'll see what you want to see in that scene.

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  11. How I read the scene was that the graduation ceremony refers to the act of sterilization. It was the outward sign that she had finished her training. In that sense the sterilization turned her into a monster. Not because she couldn't have any children but because now she was a killer.

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  12. detectivewhoconsults24 April 2015 at 16:31

    I've just got back from the movie and logged on to see if anyone was talking about this - my jaw dropped to the floor at this moment. I feel like in the context of the scene the idea of being a monster was tied directly into the idea of being sterile, not just the fact she was an assassin, and I found it abominable.

    Combined with the joke about Prima Nocta (is this another example of Whedon giggling to himself that he can slip old fashioned nasty sexist references past the censors a la 'mewling quim'?), putting Natasha in a cage to be rescued for NO reason (the twins know where Ultron was basing his operations, and Bruce rescues her pretty much immediately, so what was the point except to damsel her to make Bruce look cool?), and forcing her into the age-old role of the beauty who offers calm and support for a 'beast' of a guy (which can work, but is a female character cliche and I really didn't feel suited her characterisation in particular)...I actually found her overall portrayal sucked a huge amount of enjoyment out of the film for me.

    Unhappy sigh.

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    1. How does shooting a door like so many people have shot doors make Bruce look cool?

      Especially in light of every other scene in this movie when he's running or hiding. Also, relying upon her to keep the Hulk in check was a bad idea as the movie made clear because she can't always be there. He needs to be in control of himself. Please read comments like Andres' above.

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  13. I have to admit it feels like Natasha is saying she feels like a monster because it makes it easier for her to kill people, and because she had the choice of whether or not to conceive taken away from her that that is what makes her feel like a monster not the fact alone that she is sterile, but the fact that she can't decide for herself if she would like to concieve.

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  14. As a female who has no desire to ever have children, I find it offensive that the whole idea here is that women who won't be having children find it easier to do heinous things. Is Joss trying to tell us that the only reason women can be badass super-spies making the tough choices that male spies do is if they can't have children? That a women has no personal reason to be ethical and good unless she has future children to worry about?

    This doesn't seem like a character trait specific to Natasha that Joss is trying to get across. This seems like the only reason Joss could come up with that a woman spy can do her job. I also think he thought this would seem romantic that she and Hulk would have something in common. This is worse than romances like Twilight since they involved teenagers (and vampires that acted like teenagers). I expect unhealthy and ridiculous relationships. But for Bruce and Natasha? This was horrible writing.

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    1. This. All of this.

      (Except the Twilight thing because my inner 15-yr-old inexplicably likes Twilight in spite of realizing how absolutely ridiculous and terrible it is.)

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    2. Sure if you overlook the fact that it's her trainers who feel that way, and that Natasha has in fact reclaimed her humanity despite being sterilized because humanity is a choice and not something to be removed, the same thing she's trying to encourage Bruce to do instead of feeling sorry for himself.

      Also, you keep saying "spy." She wasn't just a spy, she was an assassin. And I'm pretty sure criminal organizations do take such measures. It's not because sterility makes someone inhuman, but because they want them to believe that it does.

      Natasha knows better.

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    3. Okay, potential offense towards 'infertility' aside, the whole point of sterilizing her so that her job would be easier is because if she DOES have children or any sort of typical family, THEY CAN BE USED AGAINST HER. They will be a VULNERABILITY. You're an assassin with children? Someone who hates you is going to go after your fucking kids, so you better hope you're better than they are and aren't caught up in your own mission at the time.

      It's not about women who don't want children being terrible and easily committing terrible crimes.

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  15. Also makes me realise that none of Joss' 'strong' female characters are ever mothers. The closest was Joyce, who was killed off. There seems to be a weird disconnect to him about a woman's role when she becomes a mother. Definitely doesn't have the same problem with fathers since Angel was a father and so is Clint and they still maintained the dangerous jobs.

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    1. Angel's son was taken from him as an infant and returns as a teenage warrior. Parenthood is problematic in the Whedonverse regardless of gender.

      Clint is an anomaly, and his story line mostly exists to generate sympathy, address people who think his presence is pointless, and set up a surprise plot twist. That was one of the weaker points for me.

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  16. One of the problems with scenes and writing like this is that because the writer/director is a male we are automatically assuming that if he doesn't write female characters this way or that way he is a sexist and misogynist pig. We need feminism more in films and life in general, but that doesn't mean that we shouldn't have any weaker female characters. I hate the term "strong female character" because that doesn't only mean a female who can kick ass as people seem to understand it. There are many ways for us to be strong.

    That being said, I understood the scene the same way as Andres Bisserier there and didn't get it the way some of you did - at all.

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    1. Yeah, seems to me that people have their own skewed perceptions of strength thanks to the same patriarchy they supposedly condemn. All the Avengers are physically strong, but Black Widow is one of the strongest emotionally. Conversely, the Bruce Banner is a wimp, not because he doesn't have hulk's super strength but because he's weak willed.

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  17. Thank you for posting this as a non-spoilery review so that my friend could send it to me and alert me to this scene before I go see the movie when it comes out in the US.
    I struggle with infertility. I only got the news that I can't ever have kids a few months ago, and I still sometimes fall into fits of depression and sobbing when I see other couples with their baby pictures. When my friend linked me to this post with the message that I should read it and prepare myself, I was shocked. I literally felt like I was going to throw up. Still do.
    I can't understand why anyone who proclaims himself to be a feminist would write a line like that, a line that is so damaging to people like me, who already struggle with feelings of inadequacy and feelings of being incomplete. This will only make it worse.
    Thank you for posting this so that my friend could link it to me, because if I had gone into this movie unprepared, that scene would have reduced me to a crying fit in the middle of a crowded movie theater at the midnight showing, because this is still a very upsetting topic for me and not something that should be taken lightly.
    Thank you.

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    1. I suggest reading Andres' comment. It's a lot truer to what Whedon was trying to convey as questioning what makes us human is a running theme in Whedon's work (and the answer is whether or not we choose to be, no more, no less.) I wouldn't thank someone for upsetting you for no reason. They took the scene out of context and deeply misunderstood it.

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    2. Anon, the intent may have been a good one, but the writing is sloppy as all get-out, leading many viewers to see the scene EXACTLY as "Infertility = Monster". This needs to have been better thought out and written. Good intentions can be just as damaging, especially in something as emotional as the infertility issue.

      Shelby, keep your head up. As another woman who is unable to have kids, I know the pain you're feeling. I wish I had a friend who would have tipped me off to this. Went in to enjoy a movie with friends and had to nope out at that point.

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  18. The problem I have with people saying 'it's not her calling herself monstrous for being sterile, its her saying it because of what was forced upon her without her consent' is that in effect, you are therefore saying that rape victims are monstrous for having that done to them without consent. At best this was an INCREDIBLY ham-fisted clumsy way to bond team-mates, perhaps even a manipulation by Natasha to get Bruce to trust her and at worst a PHENOMENALLY offensive way of reducing a woman's worth to her reproductive capabilities and referring to her as monstrous if she's sterile, especially as she's the only female on the team. Whedon has long referred to himself as a feminist and pats himself on the back constantly about writing strong women. which is all BS. he writes what he himself seems to find sexy - very pretty, very thin, very unclothed and physically strong. women are far more complicated then he allows. Im so so tired of hte Whedon waif. and this line is just the end of the road for me with Whedon's claims of feminism. Natasha was reduced to sex symbol, the only woman on the team made responsible for Banner's transformation, her outfit was unzipped a little too far most of the time, she was the teammate abducted so she could sit ina cage as the damsel in distress - total bogus scene as the twins know where Ultron is based, they wouldn't have needed Natasha's morse code help- and the Bruce breaking her out scene felt like there was a lot missing - how did he, as Banner, get into a strong hold with thousands of bots aorund the place?? the original cut was over 3hours and i feel some of what was cut was what was missing there. she's shoe horned into a romance that came out of NOWHERE. after two films of building Clintasha, suddenly he's married (with a wife that IMO he had no chemistry with, and she was another stereotype 'Perfect Supportive Wife') and she's suddenly adoring Bruce despite being wary of and scared of him in the past. they have one awkward flirtation and suddenly she wants to run away together? CRINGEWORTHY. that entire 'romance' could have been removed from the film and rather than it feel like something was missing, the film would actually be improved.
    As a woman with fertility issues, this line was disgusting and I can't believe its not talked about more. Especially in Banner not responding to it with a 'you're not a monster' retort. Hill was also reduced to tight dresses and high heels with basically nothing to do. Jane and Pepper being absent being explained by their boyfriend's and you could practically hear Whedon patting himsefl on the back with 'look i wrote strong women, look how smart and strong they are, running a company and getting a nobel prize' except guess what? that means nothing. words are cheap. you need to SHOW those women are strong, you need to display how they are strong, not having their boyfriends boast about it in two lines of dialogue like some sort of reverse failed Bechedal test. Overall i was deeply disappointed in AOU, for many reasons and can only really view it in a vacuum. all characterisation went out the window, for Steve esp - Whedon doesn't udnerstand Steve AT ALL and can only write him as dumb, and a foil for Tony, his clear favourite. Even Tony had his growth over IM3 jettisoned and Natasha's wonderful characterisation in TWS was gone. Even Bruce suffered - he agreed WAY too easily to fiddling iwth the septre when he of all people knows the cost of futzing with what you don't understand. he did it again with putting jarvis into the body. the film is a mess and Natasha's objectification is my most hated part.

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    1. I agree with you. the Hulk and Natasha romance didn't work out. I'd rather see cap and widow's platonic relationship (they have a great chemistry esp in the winter soldier). I hope the Russo bros. will clean all the mess of Joss Whedon has made...

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    2. Don't get mad at Marvel because YOU decided Hawkeye and BW should be a couple in the MCU. He saved her and was her friend. NOTHING MORE. You Clintasha shippers are ruining a great character all for a "head cannon". I feel bad for Black Widow fans.

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    3. Except nobody's actually mentioned Hawkeye in that context at all. Just that Natasha was poorly written and behaved out of character in a shoehorned romance with Bruce. And the quite justifiable disappointment at this is being directed at the writer responsible, Joss Whedon, not 'Marvel'.

      But hey, at least Clintasha has a comic canon basis and the MCU versions, up until AOU, had a damn site more chemistry and backstory than what we got. Even the actors seem slightly bewildered in interviews about where the hell Natasha suddenly mooning over the Hulk came from.

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    4. Yea Natasha seemed out of character on this movie

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    5. Objectification?

      Bruce was topless.

      She was in a bathrobe.

      She doesn't believe she's a monster anymore than Bruce is a monster. He's allowing it to rule his life in a way that she doesn't allow her past to rule hers. That was the whole point. She was one of the strongest characters in the movie. He was one of the weakest. All he does is run and hide, even from a relationship. She keeps fighting no matter what.

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  19. It was a really bizarre scene and I don't really like how natasha characterisation has been handled in the film in general tbh I think the russos do it better. The way I saw this scene though was that natasha was part of the red room project voluntarily,(completely erasing the amazing comic back story that's there ready for someone to use for a black widow movie, but I digress) and she had chosen her sterilisation to make that final break away from humanity (which is really stupid and equates humanity to reproduction or whatever) and by choosing that she herself is a monster. Bruce's response is non existent and the whole financials have been done so much better (I mean how do we get from the whole fear and mistrust to natasha essentially being the one sent in for hulk control??) I feel like marvel directors should work together a bit more so the film's tally up better, tws was far better for characterisation and is it just me but as much as I love rdj I'm getting bored of him being central to every avengers film, an exploration of a character without 3 movies of back story would have been better. Although i have to say glutton was an ace villain!

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    1. But she doesn't chose it voluntarily - she is shown deliberately trying to fail so that she doesn't have to go through it and is shown as being totally terrified of it, especially when she's on the gurney.

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    2. Also, controlling the Hulk has been her job since the beginning of the first Avengers movie. She's the one sent to bring him in from India.

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    3. His response was non existent because he was too busy feeling sorry for himself to understand what she was saying. If she made a final break from humanity, would she be trying to save the world now?

      No.

      That's the point. She doesn't perceive herself or Bruce as monsters. He's the one allowing the Hulk to keep him down. More to the point, I think he hides behind the Hulk. He claims he wants to protect people from the Hulk, but he's using the Hulk to protect himself from people.

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  20. The first thought that came to mind was, 'So...infertility = being a monster? I then thought about people who choose not to have children. Does that choice make them, in a way, monstrous.

    Either way...very badly written scene, imo.

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    1. But she doesn't actually think she's a monster, just like she doesn't think Bruce is really a monster. That's the problem here. If people wouldn't ignore that obvious fact, this "debate" wouldn't exist.

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  21. Maybe she just feels this way as it was forced upon her and it's not what she wanted/wants?

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  22. I felt the scene was rather clumsily mixing up two parts of a conversation: "we are both monsters" and "we are both sterile (not by our own choice)". I don't think it was an intentional conflation but it was so badly written that it is very easy to collapse to sterility = monster. My friend saw it more subtly, as "they sterilised me to make it easier for me to kill, but they were wrong, I can still love and protect people".

    One of the themes of the film is about monstrosity: about what makes a monster, about the risks of a monster, about choosing to be a monster, about how monsters can protect as well as harm. "Natasha has a monster inside too" could be an interesting part of that conversation, but I feel it out to be about her actions (her ledger, her skillset) not her reproductive status.

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    1. But with all due respect -what on earth does sterility have to do with one's ability to love or to protect? your friends interpretation, whilst intriguing, would suggest a belief that those who are sterile would be incapable of love. which is utterly wrong, and offensive in its own right. I agree that it is utterly and completely clumsily done, but her calling herself a monster immediately after stating her sterility does indeed link the two. If she wanted to call herself a monster, it would have made FAR more sense to tell Bruce what she told Steve in TWS - that she had a very specific skill set and that at one time she didn't care who she used them for or on. followed by 'still think you're the only monster on the team'. That would have been perfect for Natasha's characterization. but I have the overwhelming feeling that A) Whedon never saw nor cared to learn about TWS and B)is so far up his own butt in terms of thinking he's a great feminist writer that he genuinely doesn't understand that this, and indeed Natasha's entire plot in AOU, is so overwhelmingly offensive and mysogynistic that it's laughable he call himself a feminist. Or even a great writer.

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    2. Amusingly, the "specific skill set" lines come from Avengers Assemble and are presumably Joss Whedon's lines.

      I felt the characterisation of Tony, Natasha, Steve & Thor made very little sense in the context of the intervening phase 2 films. It really felt like Whedon was continuing with his own idea of The Avengers: 3 Years Later, and ignored everything else in the wider MCU, except the studio-mandated plot tokens to set up for Infinity War.

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    3. Except her point is really that neither of them are monsters, not that they both are monsters. She doesn't believe that. Her trainers tried to make her believe she was a monster but she ultimately chose humanity. Over and over again in the movies, she chooses humanity. She even chose it over Bruce by the end of this movie.

      Meanwhile he chooses to run. Again.

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  23. He has little to no understanding of most of the characters, Tony is his clear favourite so of course everything revolves around him but even he has none of the growth he showed over IM3. He has no concept of who Steve is and utterly destroys his characterisation for laughs. Natasha and Bruce also get shortchanged. The idea that Bruce wouldn't be expecting code Greens. Ummmm, if you go on the mission, you have to expect the possibility that you'll be needed. if you got called in separartely from everyone else, fine I'd buy you didn't expect it, but if you go, then yeah, you've got to prepare for the possibility. the fact he was willing to leave and let not only the team, but also all those people die??? WTF?? That's not Bruce. Bruce who travelled to NY on a bike to make sure people were safe is just going to willingly let millions if not billions die? NO. NO NO NO. I found Hawkeye's Perfect Idyllic Life (TM) to be cringeworthy -at least hire an actress with actual chemistry with Renner and give the poor woman something more to work with than Perfect Supportive Wife role of smiling at people and having the depth of a kiddie pool. The whole film felt super choppy - it was BLATANTLY clear that it had been hacked into to make the time - the original cut was over three hours. I'd rather he left that extra 40 minutes in because the plot was all over the place and tons of scenes felt like they should have had more built up, and likely did have before it got chopped out. RUmour is, at least on the UK release, that the alternate ending and the cut footage will be included as extras, at least on BR (won't take long for them to hit the internet for those of us unwilling to fork out for a BR player) and it'd be good to see where the holes would have been filled in

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    1. Marvel and probably RDJ's contract decide how much revolves around him. The whole production was push and pull between Whedon and Marvel. Steve also comes out looking a lot better than Tony, who lets his fear get the better of him, just like Bruce. It actually makes sense in the context of IM3 because he wants to be done, but he can't be done, and he endangers the world trying to be done. Steve and Natasha are the only ones who come out looking good because they're fighting the good fight and making tough but correct choices. Hawkeye's story line seemed more about addressing people who see him as pointless and setting up a plot twist, and yes, that was a little too thin.

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    2. Disagree. Whedon grew up with all of these characters.

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  24. What she said was, "It makes it easier ... Nothing is more important than the mission ... It makes killing easier ... You're not the only monster ..." implying that her rage is what she uses to become a killer, in the same way that Banner's turns him into 'the monster'. She is detached in the way she talks about it, but you sense that she is angry that her trainers took away her choices - in fact, a lot of her part of the movie is about the fact that her choices have never been her own, and she is starting to want something other than that. Which is why the idea of just disappearing with Bruce is so appealing. She does not, at any time, imply that she is a monster because she can't have children.

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  25. I already wrote a massive tumblr post about Nat in this movie and how I viewed this scene here: http://stilinski.me/post/117591394297 (SPOILERS) and it basically aligns with your #2 option, so I'm not going to write a million-word comment disagreeing.

    But I just wanted to note that if Bruce's response had been "No, you're not" I would have been incredibly offended. I agree that the movie should have had some critique of Natasha's self-image, beyond just letting that whole monster thing stand alone. And Bruce's lack of any response was awkward. But I think when someone confesses to you that they were a) abused and b) have done terrible things as a result of that abuse and c) feel like a terrible person because of that, going "but that's not true" is a totally unhelpful response. And from a man, to a woman? Disagreeing with her experience of being infertile could seriously come off as him telling her how to feel. Telling her she's not a monster would imply that his trauma is more valid.

    I think Bruce's ultimate response comes much later in the film. The context of the "monster" quote is, after all, Nat saying, I'm just as bad a person as you, I have no value on this team, so please don't leave me behind when you run away. I think it can be concluded by later events that Bruce disagrees.

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  26. I just saw the movie today, and just have to say that it really frustrates me that the Nat-Clint romance gets canned... right as he's given a wife and children and she's made infertile. Feels like it adds disturbing implications about a woman who can't have children being worth less than one who can, so she's promptly paired up with the one man in the Avengers who can't have children either.

    (On a random side note, I interpreted Banner's comments as meaning not necessarily that he couldn't biologically have children so much as that children are incompatible with a guy who turns into a murderous giant rage monster. Children are delicate, and often frustrating. But it wasn't directly stated either way.)

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    1. Well, if his blood is radioactive it would make sense that his spunk is too, which sound like a good reason to not even try having kids...

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    2. As someone weary of work place romances, I like that they have a years long platonic relationship built on mutual respect instead of sexual tension. It's refreshing. Also, they never had any signs of romance in the movies.

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  27. So you are pretty much ignoring the fact that the comment about being a monster came directly after talking about killing? And that the comment about being sterilized was within the larger context of her training in the Red Room? It was pretty clear to me that being a monster was referencing her past, not being unable to have children.

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  28. TheMarySue touched on it PERFECTLY.

    "The thing people seem to be the most disappointed about with regards to Black Widow’s representation in Ultron is the side-plot about her distress over the Red Room. But where some viewers read that moment as a devaluing of her self-worth , I interpreted it more to mean that Nat felt an anger and a moroseness over having her ability to make those choices taken from her at such a young age – an age when you shouldn’t be able to voluntarily consent to such a procedure. Nat’s experiences in the Red Room left her without agency; brainwashed, coerced, and made, out of necessity for survival, into the weapon she is today – and part of that involves , and part of that involves her lack of remorse for killing. I think a moment of vulnerability for Nat doesn’t make her any less of a Strong Female Character, but instead helps shape her into what we’re all constantly demanding anyways: a complex and nuanced female character, with emotions and a traumatic past and an imperfect reaction to present circumstances."

    This whole attack on Black Widow is really disappointing. From the "Clintasha" shippers being angry and spoiling the film on purpose while trying to ruin other peoples enjoyment to the Whedon haters using their vendetta against him for the film. It is sad.

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    1. i like whedon.
      i have never read a comic in my life; only watched the movies so far.
      BUT
      she drops everything, goes toe to toe with a 'god', exposes herself to the light (she's a spy, not a soldier to stand and fight face to face in open combat) etcetc and she does it all to get clint back.
      she spends the whole of catws wearing an arrow necklace.
      if that wasn't the creators slowly building up and hinting at a clint and natasha relationship i don't know what it was. there is no other way to read it. not to a casual viewer like me.
      on the other hand the impression i got from the avengers film, the first one, was that she is afraid of bruce.
      watching AoU i felt like these were 3 different people to the ones the other films introduced me too. not entirely different but off...like...parallel universe different.
      so i'm not attacking the movie and i'm not attacking whedon but i'm saying that it. had. no. character. consistency. to. the. rest. of. the. movieverse.
      and steve was wooden, colourless, and...weirdly not like the steve rogers i got to know in the other films.
      e313

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    2. So basically you're saying a woman would never take risks unless she wanted to have sex with someone? She'd never do that for a friend, even a friend whom she owes her life?

      Wow.....

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  29. People chill. Not everything has to be politically correct. Someone isn't going to watch the movie and be like, "lmao she right i should literally think the same way this fictional assassin thinks, that seems very logical". She's damaged. She has some emotional trauma to heal, and those kinds of things make you say and do stuff a healthy person wouldn't. Does she consider herself a monster for not being able to have children? Maybe. But like I said--damaged. Mental illnesses does that kind of thing to you.
    So what if Bruce didn't disagree? What would you even say in that kind of situation? Maybe you would bravely try to console her while you are dying inside and barely know what to do with yourself. Realistically though, anyone else would of just stayed quiet. From shock? From sadness? From pity? Anything. Nobody has the right answers all the time.
    And what does feminism has to do with this? Are we not allowed to be weak? For a female character to be strong, she has to be 'badass' and have morally high grounds, and just have no weakness what so ever? She can never be wrong? The hell.
    Lastly, it's not an psychology movie, or therapy. It's an action movie. Women around the globe are going to see this scene and think many different things, and that's okay. But to insinuate that your opinion must be held by everyone.....
    Meh. That's what I gather from this post, anyways.
    One last thing:
    If everyone would base their morals on fictional assassins, pretty sure this world would be far much worse.
    Sorry if you can't understand much, english is not my first language.

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    1. At last, someone with a bit of perspective. Just because a character in a film says "I am a monster because of so and so" doesnt mean that the writer believes that in real life. Plus it was pretty clear she was trying to convince Banner that neither of them were monsters. The fact that not one person, regardless of their interpretation of this scene, actually agrees that Natasha is a monster makes that obvious.

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  30. I think it was clumsy, but I also think the intention might've been to compare it to the "ease of killing" part. That killing became easier for her, and so she became a monster.
    It was sloppy, sure, and the whole scene was unbearably awkward (almost all of Nat and Bruce's scenes were, god) but I didn't see it as her sterilization making her monstrous.
    In retrospect, probably because that doesn't make any sense, and it that's what the writers/Whedon intended? Shame on their entire career.

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  31. She felt like a monster, not because she couldn't have biological children, but because she was modified to kill. If she were naturally sterile it would have been okay. The organization made her a monster, and forcibly sterilizing her is one reason she felt that way.

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  32. I found your opinions to be interesting. On the other hand however, I think I interpreted it a bit differently. Bruce wanted to be with Natasha, and he wanted to give her everything he could. However, he knew he wouldn't be able to give her a future with a house and a picket fence with children running and playing. When Natasha told him she was sterilized as a teenager, she essentially made their future together more plausible. Bruce wanted to be with Natasha, but he thought she wanted kids, and he didn't want to hold her back from her true life goals; but when he found out that kids were not in her future, he felt more comfortable knowing they could just be together.

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  33. I think she was trying to say that not worrying about having a family at home made it easier for her to kill people. I think they were trying to explain why Natasha and Bruce make a good match potentially but they sort of failed. It was more like Natasha trying to relate to Bruce but I think the relationship was more one sided.

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  34. When I was watching it, it didn't read that way to me at all. Suggesting that someone is a monster because they're infertile would be kind of monstrous on the part of the writer, and it's hard to imagine that that was the intent. I saw her labeling herself as a monster not in a serious way, but in a "This is what I've done and I know how I am perceived" kind of way. She knows she's done horrible things and she knows people don't completely trust her. If I recall, the use of monster was equating herself to the Hulk, no? I don't think Nat sees the Hulk as a monster anymore than she sees herself that way. I saw it as a flippant characterization of her past and her image.

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  35. Black Widow has attacks of guilt over being a "monster," i.e., being a soulless assassin guilty of killing god knows how many people who didn't deserve it.

    This was specifically gone into in the first movie, particularly in her conversation with Loki.

    Her feeling like a "monster" has *NOTHING* to do with the sterilization.

    She's asking *Bruce Banner* if he "feels like" he's "the only monster on the team."

    That's the context for "monster": Banner's use of it.

    She brings up her sterilization only to comfort Bruce when he's explaining that he can't have a relationship or anything normal, he can't even have kids. "Neither can I," she says, and explains she was sterilized.

    She says "it makes everything easier. Even killing. Still think you're the only monster on the team"?

    There's NOTHING there about the sterilization being related to her asking if she's a monster. Her possible "monster"-ship is ALL about her being a product of the Red Room as an assassin. It's the "killing" that makes her feel she might be a monster.

    Thinking the "monster" comment is a comment on her *sterilization* is just *completely* wrong; it's a complete misunderstanding of the dialogue I suggest anyone confused about it rewatch the scene. It's a fast movie, I realize it's easy to misunderstand things the first time through.

    (Which I just did three times to make sure I'm correct; bootleg sites FTW.)

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  36. I think its more of the fact that she views herself as monster because she is literally a trained killing machine and the fact that she finds it easier to kill due to her lack of being able to bring life into the world. I doubt she is equating infertility/sterility to that of being the Hulk. Also Bruce had quite the reaction, it was just a restrained one. There was obvious signs of him trying to manintain his composure (clenching and unclenching of his jaw, intensity in his eyes, an expression of sympathy and anger.) Bruce was also dealing with the shock of what Natasha had just told him as well as his conflicting feelings toward wanting to be with Nat or to be as far away from her as possible.

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  37. Narratively, the whole Bruce/Natasha relationship isn't really about Bruce and Natasha having a romance. The story is really about Bruce believing he finally has the Hulk under control, he's found a home, friends, he's doing high-level research again, he's gotten back to the life he was supposed to have before the accident and then Scarlet Witch shows him that his control is just an illusion and he's back to square one, on the run, hiding from the world. Whedon just needed to give Bruce someone to interact with and he couldn't use Stark this time and he should have started the film off with them in an existing relationship rather than contemplating one, since it's really the story of an addict who falls off the wagon and then leaves his family rather than pull them back down into his destructive behavior with him.

    The Red Room stuff about Natasha is just a bone that's been thrown to her fans, but she's pretty static throughout this film and back to being there just to service a male character's storyline, which she arguably hasn't been used for since her introduction in IM2. The clumsiness of the dialogue around her infertility is just a part of how carelessly she was handled in this movie.

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    1. I think they serviced each other's storylines. We see how strong and committed to saving the world she really is, and how he continues to hide behind the Hulk.

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  38. I just saw the film for the second time, and kept my eye out for this scene this time around because of this review and similar comments on tumblr, which took me aback because I hadn't had the same reaction and wondered if I just missed something. On second viewing, I still think these reviews are reading that scene completely different than I am--I see her concern over being a monster as tied to the fact that she has spent most of her life as a trained killer, not that she is incapable of having children. In that scene, it seemed to me that she was lamenting the fact that killing was easy for her, which is what made her a monster--not being able to have children that would distract her from that lifestyle or whatever was part of what made it easier, but I didn't see that as the main thing that was the focus of her distress. I admit it was clumsy and probably unnecessary and I can completely understand how it could be interpreted the other way, but I don't think that's how it was meant to come across (and it's definitely not how I took it.)
    I honestly don't even think she would've said anything about it if Wanda hadn't dredged that specific memory back up; in previous movies, she's said and/or insinuated that the fact that she's killed so many people bothers her a lot (rightfully so), and I just saw this as furthering that. Unfortunately, that stupid line (and that specific memory) probably wouldn't even have been included if they hadn't introduced that pointless and unbelievable Nat/Bruce relationship, so now I have another reason to be mad at them for that.

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  39. Feeling incomplete/broken/damaged are actually VERY Common things to feel when dealing with infertility. Society is such that even if we don't conciously think about it, we're programmed to believe that we'll "have kids one day maybe" and that a family is NORMAL. not having kids is, to our society, considered abnormal. being unable to have them makes you feel like a freak.

    Not being able to have kids was a tie to a normal life, a glimpse of something other than the killer she was made into. She can't give life, only take it away.

    Her sterilisation likely adds to her feeling of "not belonging", hell, i know it turned me into a monster for a while. I hated everyone and everything, especially myself.
    Add to that the whole murderer for hire thing, I can totally see why she'd be particularly self loathing.

    Bruce not responding further highlights how he's completely failing to support HER and instead just being a selfish jerk and dumping all his problems on her without taking some of hers back.

    I think people really are just looking for things to complain about here. Particularly as it seems almost ALL the "It's so wrong and hurtful" comments seem to be from people who have NEVER endured infertility.

    Yes, it SHOULD be something that is brought up again and corrected, if only because audiences are morons and need that shit hammered home. But a lot of the complaints levelled at this movie I wonder about. How much ended up on the cutting room floor and was beyond Whedon's actual control.

    Honestly, while it's always a little triggery to have infertility mentioned in movies, it's helpful to have it in the public eye because it's something nobody likes to talk about. A dirty little secret spoken of in hushed whispers. Why is that? The clandestine attitude people seem to have toward it only further isolates those who suffer it, and makes them feel more like they're damaged goods.

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  40. Why isn't it okay to just attribute her comment to her character's cold personality? She is entitled to think of herself and call her whatever she wants. What if she actually believes that not being able to have children DOES make her a monster. We can disagree, but it makes no difference how we feel. Personally, I think she is speaking about herself considering the sum of all evils in her life. It's a movie, but it doesn't have to be a political point of view!

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    1. she's a fictional character, not a person. everything she says and does is written by a real person, who is presenting a movie to an audience of real people in the real world. so there is real political and social impact behind attributing anything to her "cold personality," or arguing that "she" is entitled to feel a certain way.

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    2. Politely disagree.

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    3. Her fictional character is still entitled to a personality and a direction of thought. Are we to say that every single character that has been and will be written and personified MUST ALWAYS be adhere to social sensitivity and that his/her commentary must never offend? In the end, like you say, she is a fictional character. I don't believe that Joss Whedon himself thinks of infertile women as monsters, and if you want to argue that he was insensitive, then I think the most that should be said is that he made a mistake and should have gotten a second opinion. But no, on a larger scale, we should not apply political and social impact to EVERYTHING that is presented. It's a movie, it is fiction as you say, and if you want to fight for feminism, then let's together spend our time on more important, real world issues like Bud Light's ridiculous slogan. Black Widow though... waste of time.

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  41. It's the first explanation. I think people are getting too hung up on where the dialogue takes place and not the events that made the dialogue even pop up in the first place. Both of these characters see their biggest fears played out in front of them, one takes a monstrous physical form and hurts innocent people, while the other re-lives very dark memories and the calculated coldness she was formed in to.

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  42. I interpreted this totally different. I thought she was referring to the people at the agency that trained her as being monsters, not herself.

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  43. Wut? She just means because her body was changed to turn her into some kind of product that those who raised her wanted her to be. Like they created a monster that lived only to kill, not to do things like go to the mall... or have children. How do tumblr feminists even come up with this stuff.....

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  44. Hopefully this won't double-post.

    I was just pointed at this blog by a conversation about this very scene, and was surprised to find that some people took the scene this way. Everyone I know who's seen the film (and given what a hit it is in my social circle, that's a decent number of people) interpreted the scene in a very different way.

    They're standing in the middle of this idyllic hidey-hole that implicitly proves there can be a life outside of Fighting The Good Fight, and Bruce continues to be ruled by fear and attempts to keep his distance from Nat by proclaiming he can never have this kind of life. Nat diffuses his argument by pointing out that she can't have kids, and goes into the horrific story of her childhood/brainwashing. She refers to being a monster, but nobody I know of took that to be from the sterility -- that was something done to her, and Whedon seemed quite explicit in detailing the kind of horrific mindset it takes to strip away another human being's right to their own body. Nat calling herself a monster seemed tied to the figure that she was taught to shoot at, and how it flashed back and forth from being a dummy to being a man tied helpless in a chair, with a bag over his head. Dehumanizing to the Nth degree. Stripping away compassion or caring. Having no value for life or dignity. Monstrous.

    If it's any consolation, even a perusal of reviews makes it seem that the "sterility = monstrous" takeaway is limited to a very small demographic. Isn't that a good thing? That the majority of people are seeing this and instead seeing the murder as monstrous, and that the forced sterilization is horrific? It certainly seems more consistent with Whedon's writing over the years.

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    1. "It certainly seems more consistent with Whedon's writing over the years."

      Whedon also fired Charisma Carpenter, badmouthed her/damaged her career, treated her terribly, went back on his promises to her, and destroyed her character JUST because the actress got pregnant.

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  45. As a woman, I interpreted this scene the same way you did, but I was not offended by it. I understand that this issue is a sensitive one, and by no means should an infertile woman be labeled a "monster," but I think the strong reaction to this is too much. In my opinion, a woman has the right to view herself and think of herself however she wants. This is part of a woman's right to choose and have command of her body and mind. If you are propagating the standard that no woman is ever allowed to feel a certain way about herself except for the correct socially sensitive point of view, then you too are forcing women to accept a label that is not always correct or acceptable. I have been through some terrible experiences in my own life, and at times, I can probably say that I too felt like a "monster." And that is my right to feel that way. I don't need or want anyone, any institution, or any group of well-to-do social reformists paving a path for me to feel better. I am entitled to my opinions as any woman--and any man, for that matter--has the right to do. And so should another woman, or in this case, a female character. This argument is further complicated because the writer Joss Whedon is a man, but I don't believe he misrepresented women as a whole. And I for one think this is being made into a much bigger deal than should be. Thank you.

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  46. This interview with Black Widow miniseries creator sheds some light on how he interpreted the character's sterilisation http://io9.com/how-to-make-black-widow-truly-awesome-according-to-ric-1703159410/+katedries

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  47. The real issue is our society's vilification of women who don't want/can't have children. I don't want children, I have lost count by the amount of women who have responded to that with distain and contempt.

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  48. fucking feminists

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    1. Rude. Also, uncalled for. Also, wrong.

      If I've understood your intent correctly.

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  49. In one of Black Widow's dream sequences there is an image of young girls without mouths...as if they had been removed or sealed shut. A similar physical procedure may (not on the mouth) have been done to Black Widow explaining why she calls herself a monster.

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  55. I am PHYLLIS JONES from CALIFORNIA, I have been trying for 5 years to get pregnant and needed help! i have Been going to the doctors but still nothing. The doctor said that me and my husband are fine and I don't know where else to turn. Until one day my friend introduce me to this great spell caster who helped her to get back her lost husband back with love spell and also made her pregnant, So I decided to contact this spell caster Dr.Ovie on his email after interaction with him he instructed me on what to do, after then i should have sex with my husband or any man I love in this world, And i did so, within the next one months i went for a check up and my doctor confirmed that i am 2 weeks pregnant of two babies. I am so happy!! if you also need help to get pregnant or need your ex back please contact him for help via email: droviesolutionspelltemple@gmail.com. You can also contact him through his mobile: +2347060759332. He is a good spell caste.......

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  56. I am MOORE JULIET from Australia, I have been trying for 5years to get pregnant and needed help! i have Been going to the doctors but still nothing. The doctor said that me and my husband are fine and I don't know where else to turn, until one day my friend introduce me to this great spell caster who helped her to get back her lost husband back with love spell and also made her pregnant, So I decided to contact this spell caster Dr.Sam on his email after interaction with him he instructed me on what to do, after then i should have sex with the my husband or any man I love in this world, And i did so, within the next one months i went for a check up and my doctor confirmed that i am 2weeks pregnant of two babies. I am so happy!! if you also need help to get pregnant or need your ex back please contact him for help via email: miraclefertilitysolutiontempl1@gmail.com or miraclefertilitysolutiontemple@yahoo.com or through his website: http://miraclefertilityso.wix.com/dr-sam You can also contact him through his mobile: +2348110496031. YOU CAN ALSO READ MY TESTIMONY ON MY BLOGGER LINK: http://moorejuliet.blogspot.com He is a good spell caster

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  57. I am MOORE JULIET from Australia, I have been trying for 5years to get pregnant and needed help! i have Been going to the doctors but still nothing. The doctor said that me and my husband are fine and I don't know where else to turn, until one day my friend introduce me to this great spell caster who helped her to get back her lost husband back with love spell and also made her pregnant, So I decided to contact this spell caster Dr.Sam on his email after interaction with him he instructed me on what to do, after then i should have sex with the my husband or any man I love in this world, And i did so, within the next one months i went for a check up and my doctor confirmed that i am 2weeks pregnant of two babies. I am so happy!! if you also need help to get pregnant or need your ex back please contact him for help via email: miraclefertilitysolutiontempl1@gmail.com or miraclefertilitysolutiontemple@yahoo.com or through his website: http://miraclefertilityso.wix.com/dr-sam You can also contact him through his mobile: +2348110496031. YOU CAN ALSO READ MY TESTIMONY ON MY BLOGGER LINK: http://moorejuliet.blogspot.com He is a good spell caster

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  58. This is my testimony about the good work of a man who helped me..My name is OLIVIA DEAN. and I base in London.My life is back!!! After 8 years of marriage, my husband left me and left me with our three kids. I felt like my life was about to end,and was falling apart. Thanks to a spell caster called papa Justus who i met online. On one faithful day, as I was browsing through the internet, I was searching for a good spell caster that can solve my problems. I came across series of testimonies about this particular spell caster. Some people testified that he brought their Ex lover back, some testified that he restores womb, some testified that he can cast a spell to stop divorce and so on. There was one particular testimony I saw, it was about a woman called grace,she testified about how papa Justus brought back her Ex lover in less than 72 hours and at the end of her testimony she drop papa Justus e-mail address. After reading all these,I decided to give papa a try.

    I contacted him via email and explained my problem to him. In just 3 days, my husband came back to me. We solved our issues, and we are even happier than before. papa Justus is really a talented and gifted man and i will not to stop publishing him because he is a wonderful man...If you have a problem and you are looking for a real and genuine spell caster to solve that problem for you. Try the great papa Justus today, he might be the answer to your problem. Here's his contact: drabeljustus@gmail.com
    Thank you great Justus. Contact him for the following:

    (1)If you want your ex back.
    (2) if you always have bad dreams.
    (3)You want to be promoted in your office.
    (4)You want women/men to run after you.
    (5)If you want a child.
    (6)[You want to be rich.
    (7)You want to tie your husband/wife to be yours forever.
    (8)If you need financial assistance.
    (9)Herbal care
    10)Help bringing people out of prison
    (11)Marriage Spells
    (12)Miracle Spells
    (13)Beauty Spells
    (14)PROPHECY CHARM
    (15)Attraction Spells
    (16)Evil Eye Spells
    (17)Kissing Spell
    (18)Remove Sickness Spells
    (19)ELECTION WINNING SPELLS
    (20)SUCCESS IN EXAMS SPELLS
    (21) Charm to get who to love you.
    (22)Business spell.
    (23) Find your long lost family.
    Contact him today on:
    drabeljustus@gmail.com,
    +2347033354868.
    You can also CONTACT HIM ON whats-app on the same phone number.

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  59. I never knew people still have powers and make things happened this way. My name is Raina Devin am from American. my Husband James Scot left me for another woman for three months' ever since then my life have been filled with pains sorrow and heart break because he was my first love who dis virgin me when i was 21 years old. about two years ago, A friend of mine Ken Pillps told me he saw some testimonies of this great Dr Osauyi that he can bring back lover within some few days, i laugh it out and said i am not interested but because of the love my friend had for me, she consulted the great priest on my behalf and to my greatest surprise after three days my boyfriend is going to call me for the very first time after three months that he is missing me and that he is so sorry for every thing he made me went through. i still can't believe it, because it highly unbelievable it just too real to be real. Thank you Dr osauyi for bringing back my lover and also to my lovely friend who interceded on my behalf, for any one who might need the help of this great priest here is the email address OSAUYILOVESPELL@GMAIL.COM OR OSAUYILOVESPELL@OUTLOOK.COM. OR you can call the great man on +2347064294395 web sit http://osauyilovespelll.webs.com/

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  60. I never knew people still have powers and make things happened this way. My name is Raina Devin am from American. my Husband James Scot left me for another woman for three months' ever since then my life have been filled with pains sorrow and heart break because he was my first love who dis virgin me when i was 21 years old. about two years ago, A friend of mine Ken Pillps told me he saw some testimonies of this great Dr Osauyi that he can bring back lover within some few days, i laugh it out and said i am not interested but because of the love my friend had for me, she consulted the great priest on my behalf and to my greatest surprise after three days my boyfriend is going to call me for the very first time after three months that he is missing me and that he is so sorry for every thing he made me went through. i still can't believe it, because it highly unbelievable it just too real to be real. Thank you Dr osauyi for bringing back my lover and also to my lovely friend who interceded on my behalf, for any one who might need the help of this great priest here is the email address OSAUYILOVESPELL@GMAIL.COM OR OSAUYILOVESPELL@OUTLOOK.COM. OR you can call the great man on +2347064294395 web sit http://osauyilovespelll.webs.com/

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  61. I want to use this medium to tell the world about Doctor MOMODU who helped me in getting my lover back with his powerful spell, my wife and i where having misunderstanding which led to our breakup though i went to beg her several times to please forgive and accept me back because i know i offended her but each time i went i always feel more deeply in pain and agony because she always walk out on me and would not want to listen to what i have to tell but on i faithful day as i was browsing i came arose a testimony of a woman whose problem was more than mine and yet Doctor MOMODU helped her with his spell so i was happy and also contacted Doctor MOMODU for help via email and then told him my story but the only thing he said was that i will wipe you tear with my spell so lucky for me everything want well just as he promised and right now i have got my fiance back and we are both living happily. there is nothing Doctor MOMODU can not do with is spell and just as promise my self i will keep testifying on the internet of how Doctor MOMODU helped me.Are your problem greater that mine or less i give you 100% guarantee that Doctor MOMODU will put an end to it with his powerful spell, contact Doctor MOMODU for help Via email drmomoduspelltemple@yahoo.com OR drmomoduspelltemple@hotmail.com

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  62. MY name is leo joy... I feel very happy to share my great and wonderful testimony with everyone on this site..: I was married for 4years to my husband and all of a sudden, another woman came into the picture he started hating me and he was abusive. but i still loved him with all my heart and wanted him at all cost.... He filed for divorce and my whole life was turning apart and i didn’t know what to do, he moved out of the house and abandoned me and the kids... my very close friend told me about trying spiritual means to get my husband back and introduced me to a spell caster so i decided to try it. although i didn’t believe in all those things then when he did the special prayers and spell, after 2days, my husband came back and was pleading that he had realized his mistakes I just couldn’t believe it, anyway we are back together now and we are happy in case anyone needs help here is his email address driraborspellcaster@gmail.com His spells is for a better life OR call his number +2348151098492

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  64. wow it has been a great and good thing know this man called Dr abulu the love spell caster who helped me get my husband back after two years . it all happened when my husband traveled to Canada for contract and during his stay in Canada him said him is no longer in love with me any more at first i thought it was a joke but after two months him finally said it was over and i was pregnant having his baby inside me and him abandoned me , i cried all day and night because i loved him so much and i never wanted to put to birth without the present of my husband , so i started to seek help from every source and even had to contact some other spell casters but no help until my friend who is currently schooling in Africa told me about this man called Dr abulu of abuluspiritualtemple@yahoo.com,and i decided to give him a last try as i have tried many before , but to my best surprise after two days of telling him my problems and him told somethings am to do and i did them my husband mother called me asking after my child and after two hours my husband called begging to forgive him say he has been under a black magic spell from one other woman so this was how i manage to gain the love of samlin my husband back , so with this great help rendered by Dr abulu i promise not to rest until i share his good work to the world wide okay
    if any one is out there passing through same or similar situation should also contact him today for help

    his email; abuluspiritualtemple@yahoo.com
    webs ; abuluspiritualtemple.webs.com
    Michelle Samlin

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  65. Hi I am SUE PREEDY from London I got a love spell done on my fiance actually he left me after one year of engagement I was shocked when he told me he does not love me any more he is going to marry with another girl it was very difficult to believe because we were in love from last 5 years he was the guy who never thought to live without me for a second he used to give thousands of phone calls in a day and he was saying to me he does not love me any more, it was a worse news for my family because I gave a very good treat to my friends and raletive on my engagement and we put engagement ring to each other in front of hundreds of people now if he didn't marry me so it was shame for me in my society so I decided that I will get him back any how, than I found Dr.Trust on Internet I told him my problem he told me not to worry I will fetch him back to you he said that he will come himself and will beg me.he gave me 48 hours time and of course it happened before 48 hours he come back to me and said he is sorry for what he did to me,that he is ready to marry me. we get married and we are happy now as husband and wife. really Dr.Trust is a Miracle Man. contact him for your own help ultimatespellcast@gmail.com or ultimatespellcast@yahoo.com call me +2348156885231 Via web sit: http://ultimatespellcast8.wix.com/ultimatespellcast

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  66. Hi I am SUE PREEDY from London I got a love spell done on my fiance actually he left me after one year of engagement I was shocked when he told me he does not love me any more he is going to marry with another girl it was very difficult to believe because we were in love from last 5 years he was the guy who never thought to live without me for a second he used to give thousands of phone calls in a day and he was saying to me he does not love me any more, it was a worse news for my family because I gave a very good treat to my friends and raletive on my engagement and we put engagement ring to each other in front of hundreds of people now if he didn't marry me so it was shame for me in my society so I decided that I will get him back any how, than I found Dr.Trust on Internet I told him my problem he told me not to worry I will fetch him back to you he said that he will come himself and will beg me.he gave me 48 hours time and of course it happened before 48 hours he come back to me and said he is sorry for what he did to me,that he is ready to marry me. we get married and we are happy now as husband and wife. really Dr.Trust is a Miracle Man. contact him for your own help ultimatespellcast@gmail.com or ultimatespellcast@yahoo.com call me +2348156885231 Via web sit: http://ultimatespellcast8.wix.com/ultimatespellcast

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  67. i am so happy today because of what dr ALLI did for me,my fiance broke up with me last three month because he thought i was cheating on him,so for the past three month now in have trying to plead to him but he still say the same thing that he does not want us to come back again that he can not trust me so i came in contact with dr ALLI who told me that my lover is going to come back to me if i work with him so i did what he ask me to do,after that he call me that within 24hours that my lover is going to come back to me,can you believe that my lover is back to me ,he now love me more than before i am so happy spell is good when you meet dr ALLI if you need his help contact him allispellhelp1@gmail.com or call +2348149158514 call or email and i promise that he is going to help you with any problem ok my name is Pamela Doris i am from the United state of America

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  68. I have a testimony to share with you only if you are willing to listen to me, My name is Williams Edwin from London. I have been having problems in some aspect of my life which almost led me to commit suicide, several time I applied for jobs and each time I was turn down, it come to a point that my Wife left me for another Man and this made me to have high blood pressure (B.P). One day as I was looking for job online in the internet I came across a testimony of a woman how a great spell caster called Dr ehikioya help her with his spell to solve her problems so I decided to contact the Spell caster (Dr ehikioya) by mail. I narrated all my story to him and the only thing he told me was don't worry because your problems are solve already. for you have made the right choice of contacting me. I filled his form and provide the item he requested from me for the preparation of the spell to get me a good job, bring my ex back and also to heal my high blood pressure (B.P) and today my brothers and sisters that are reading this I am very glad to say that Dr ehikioya is a God on earth. I have a good Job now, My wife is back and I am healed of my High Blood Pressure (B.P). Do you have problems and you think all hope is gone, I advise you to contact Dr ehikioya today and your problem will be solve just as he solve mine ok. His email is Drehikioya@gmail.com. this african temple is genuine I swear. WOW AM ON TOP YOU CAN BE TOO. INSTEAD OF FALLING FOR THOSE SCAMS THAT CALL THEIR SELF SPELL CASTERS, Dr ehikioya YOU I WILL CONTINUE TO THANK YOUR TEMPLE

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  69. My name is Edmund Samantha.i want to give thanks to dr zack balo for bringing back my ex husband.No one could have ever made me believe that the letter I?m about to write would actually one day be written. I was the world?s biggest skeptic. I never believed in magic spells or anything like this, but I was told by a reliable source (a very close co-worker) that dr zack balo is a very dedicated, gifted, and talented person,It was one of the best things I have ever done. My love life was in shambles; I had been through two divorces and was on the brink of a third. I just couldn't face another divorce, and I wanted to try harder to make our relationship work, but my husband didn?t seem to care. and he brake up with me again.I was confuse and do not no what to do again,rather them to get in contact with dr zack balo. He did a love spell that make my husband come back to me. we are now very much happy with our self. dr zack balo make him to realize how much we love and need each other.This man is for REAL and for good.he can also help you to fix your broken relationship. I had my husband back! It was like a miracle! He suddenly wanted to go to marriage counseling, and we?re doing very, very well,in our love life.contact email address wiseindividualspell@gmail.com his telephone number is +2348078927387.

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  70. My name is Taylor Borg,All thanks goes to Dr.Trust for saving my marriage from toning apart.i feel so grateful and only have good words about a powerful spell caster named Dr.Trust who helped me bring back my wife. We had been apart for 4 months, at first I was thinking if I was doing the right thing by contacting a spell caster, but I so much love my wife and won't give her up for anything in this world. I decided to contact Dr.Trust through his mail address I found on several testifiers messages online,and I told him about my situation, he laughed and told me my wife will be back to me in the next 48 hours. I felt it wasn't going to happen at first until my wife called me and was so eager to have me back more than anything on earth.. Now we are together and she cant do without me,and both of us are happy. I feel so happy sharing this testimony because there was no negative act attached to his work. His work was smooth and fast. Thanks to Dr.Trust for bringing back happiness to my life. I swear with my life that Dr.Trust is a man to trust and take your problems to. You can contact him on his e-mail if you really truly want your love back. dr.(ULTIMATESPELLCAST@GMAIL.COM OR ULTIMATESPELLCAST@YAHOO.COM TEL: +2348156885231) Via web sit: http://ultimatespellcast8.wix.com/ultimatespellcast

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  71. When I married my husband I was already pregnant and so I didn't have a job. He had a really good job though so I was able to stay home and take care of our son when it was born. When we had our second child we moved to a bigger house, but then strange things started to happen. Things would fly off the walls and doors would slam at night. Our oldest son talked about seeing figures and hearing voices. We consulted a medium and they said the house was haunted. After living there about a year more with only minor occurrences we moved out. That was when the bad luck started to happen. Everything started to fail, with my husband's job, our money and our luck in general. I went back to the same medium and they told me that a spirit had followed me and placed a curse upon me for disturbing it and not being respectful in the previous house. He tried to remove it but was unable. The misfortune kept going on and getting more severe as I tried to search out someone to break the curse. But when I found Dr. Grea he finally did it. Things started turning around almost immediately after he cast the spell and have been great from there! This was really a miracle for us, Re_unifyexlove@outlook.com also visit his website page via: http://reunifyexlove.webs.com. Thank you from the bottom of my heart!

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  72. My name is HOWARD ELLA, and I base in CALIFORNIA, USA...My life is back!!! After 5 months of Broken marriage, my husband left me with two kids . I felt like my life was about to end i almost committed suicide, i was emotionally down for a very long time. Thanks to a spell caster called DR.obu which i met online. On one faithful day, as I was browsing through the Internet,I came across allot of testimonies about this particular spell caster. Some people testified that he brought their Ex lover back, some testified that he restores womb,cure cancer,and other sickness, some testified that he can cast a spell to stop divorce and so on. i also come across one particular testimony,it was about a woman called BECKY ,she testified about how he brought back her Ex lover in less than 2 days, and at the end of her testimony she dropped DR. obu e-mail address. After reading all these,I decided to give it a try. I contacted him via email and explained my problem to him. In just 48 hours, my husband came back to me. We solved our issues, and we are even happier than before DR. obu, is really a gifted man and i will not stop publishing him because he is a wonderful man... If you have a problem and you are looking for a real and genuine spell caster to solve all your problems for you contact templelovespell@gmail.com anytime.

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  73. My name is Sandra Paul i live in New Zealand, and am married for 15years without conceiving or get pregnant until the issue resolved to problem in my home, i was really worried and bothered because i don't want to loose my husband to another woman. i have went to hospital, the doctor told me that i cant get pregnant again i thought have lost my husband already and i have lost hope and faith until one day that a very good friend of mine introduce me to DR MANBELA of the greet manbelaspelltemple of black power i contacted him through his email MANBELASPELLTEMPLE@GMAIL.COM. until when i give DR MANBELA a try which make me to be happy today. now have giving birth to twins a boy and a girl. and my husband now love me more than before. so that's while i will have to share the good work of DR MANBELA, i pray that my God will reward you for me for bringing smile to my face once again. if you are in need of any help contact him via manbelaspelltemple@gmail.com

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  74. Hello every one, Is really good i share this testimony to the hearing of the general public on this site about how PRIEST OLA did for me, July 2015, I saw a post on a particular site shearing testimony on how a great spell caster brought back her ex who name is Todd so I just see it common and i said let me see what will happen because my husband left me and my three kids for another woman just like that, I and my husband was married for six years living happily before i new what was going on, my husband left me and was leaving with another woman so when i saw that post, i contacted PRIEST OLA on the email the lady testifying drop on the site. And i told PRIEST OLA my problem and he told me i should not worry that my husband will come back to me in three days once he finish casting the re-unite spell and to my greatest surprise, i now have my husband back to me again and i want to use this medium to let every body know that this is real and if you are out there having this same problem please contact the PRIEST OLA on his email now because he can do the unexpected. his email is SUCCESSSPELLS@OUTLOOK.COM OR SUCCESSSPELLS@YAHOO.COM TELEPHONE NUMBER +1 440 607 5300 You can also contact him directly on his web site http://successspells.wix.com/priest-ola. Shannon Gilbert

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  75. Hello every one, Is really good i share this testimony to the hearing of the general public on this site about how PRIEST OLA did for me, July 2015, I saw a post on a particular site shearing testimony on how a great spell caster brought back her ex who name is Todd so I just see it common and i said let me see what will happen because my husband left me and my three kids for another woman just like that, I and my husband was married for six years living happily before i new what was going on, my husband left me and was leaving with another woman so when i saw that post, i contacted PRIEST OLA on the email the lady testifying drop on the site. And i told PRIEST OLA my problem and he told me i should not worry that my husband will come back to me in three days once he finish casting the re-unite spell and to my greatest surprise, i now have my husband back to me again and i want to use this medium to let every body know that this is real and if you are out there having this same problem please contact the PRIEST OLA on his email now because he can do the unexpected. his email is SUCCESSSPELLS@OUTLOOK.COM OR SUCCESSSPELLS@YAHOO.COM TELEPHONE NUMBER +1 440 607 5300 You can also contact him directly on his web site http://successspells.wix.com/priest-ola. Shannon Gilbert

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  76. Life is good when you have your love ones around you, I am saying this because when i had issues with my lover i never seen life as a good thing but thanks to Dr. AGBAZARA of AGBAZARA TEMPLE, for helping me to cast a spell that brought my lover back to me within the space of 48hours. My husband left me for another woman after 7YEARS of marriage,but Dr.AGBAZARA help me cast a spell that brought him back to me within 48hours. I am not going to tell you more details about myself rather i will only advise those who are having issues in there relationship or marriages to contact Dr.AGBAZARA TEMPLE through these details via; (agbazara@gmail.com) or call +2348104102662 LUCY from USA.

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  77. My name is Jessica Tom, From Germany.. My world and my life is back!!! After one year of Broken relationship, my boyfriend left me for know reason. I felt like my life was about to end i almost committed suicide, i was emotionally down for a very long time. (Thanks to a spell caster called Dr Akereco), which i met online. On one faithful day, as I was browsing through the internet,I came across allot of testimonies about this particular spell caster. Some people testified that he brought their Ex lover back, some testified that he restores womb,cure cancer,and other sickness, some testified that he can cast a spell to stop divorce and so on. i also come across one particular testimony,it was about a woman called Jennifer,she testified about how he brought back her Ex lover in less than two days, and at the end of her testimony she dropped Dr Akereco e-mail address. After reading all these,I decided to give it a try.I contacted him via email drakerecospellcaster@gmail.com and explained my problem to him, he told me In 48hours my husband will came back to me. to my surprise he come to my house asking me to forgive him We solved our issues, and we are even happier than before Dr Akereco, is really a gifted man and i will not stop publishing him because he is a wonderful man... If you have a problem and you are looking for a real and genuine spell caster to solve all your problems for you. His legit website is drakerecospellcaster.webs.com Angain his email address is drakerecospellcaster@gmail.com

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  78. Hello everyone,My name is Michelle grace from Uk, i am here to share my testimony on how i conceived my baby. i have been married to my husband for 11 years without no issue.i had problems with my in-laws even my husband started to have new affairs aside our marriage. it was a very terrible thing to bear. i became a laughing stock among my pear, i prayed and fasted and nothing happened. i was now seen as always unhappy.i was even ready to pack out of my marital home and stay on my own because my husband was not given me any attention that i needed from him. i decided to focus on my job and try to live happy on my own. on this faithful day, i decided to check the internet for updates on healthy living and i came across a story of a man who Dr BABA helped his wife(Moore Juliet) to conceive a baby. i decided to put a try because this has been my greatest problem in life.i contacted DR. BABA via email and tell him my problem and he assured me that he will help me, he told me what to do which i did and today i am a proud mom with a son. Words will not be enough to explained what this man did for me.i am a happy mother,i know there is someone in this same condition and you feel there is no way. i urge you to contact DR. BABA now for help. I am so happy!! if you also need help to get pregnant or need your ex back please contact him for help via email: drbabaspellalter@gmail.com or drbabaspellalter@hotmail.com You can also whatspp him through his mobile: +2348142705931.This is the solution to every single mother around the globe. distance is not a barrier, he will surely make your dreams come through. for more infor email me on (michellegrace235@gmail.com) thanks again dr baba

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  79. I am full of happiness and delight, on the grounds that I have my significant other once more at my palm. My partner left me for just about 2 years. He doesn't pick or even return my calls and sends I tried each approaches to get him back, however no way. Until I met with this extraordinary spell caster called sacura, who did magic for me to get him back in less than 42hrs. I exhort anybody going to this site to run to him promptly for any relationship offer assistance. He is an extremely effective and experience spell caster you can get help from.you can contact this great man Dr sacura on his email drsacuratemple@hotmail.com


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  80. i am so happy today because of what dr ALLI did for me,my fiance broke up with me last three month because he thought i was cheating on him,so for the past three month now in have trying to plead to him but he still say the same thing that he does not want us to come back again that he can not trust me so i came in contact with dr ALLI who told me that my lover is going to come back to me if i work with him so i did what he ask me to do,after that he call me that within 24hours that my lover is going to come back to me,can you believe that my lover is back to me ,he now love me more than before i am so happy spell is good when you meet dr ALLI if you need his help contact him [allispellhelp1@gmail.com] or call +2348149158514 call or email and i promise that he is going to help you with any problem ok my name is Pamela Doris i am from the United state of America

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  81. I was diagnosed with PCOS and premature ovarian failure three years ago, and was told by my fertility doctor that I had little hope of having any baby, not only because of my relatively old age (I am 42). I had pretty much given no hope and had nothing to strive or opt for. As a last effort, my mother contacted you on my behalf and did everything and sends me your wonderful herbal medications. It has been the greatest gift I have EVER received and a true life changer. Thanks to you and your spiritual work. I am on the road to becoming a mother and I owe it all to you. You can contact Eka on (dreka14demons@gmail.com)“Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!"

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  82. My mouth is full of testimonies, I am MICHEAL SHARON from USA, my husband left the home for two years to south Africa for a tourist, where he meant a prostitute and he was bewitch by the girl my husband refuse to come back home again, i cry day and night looking for who to help me, i read a news paper about a powerful spell caster called Dr Godsent and i contacted the spell caster to help me get my lover back to me and he ask me not to worry about it that the gods we fight for me.. he told me by mid-night when all the spirit is at rest he will cast a spell to reunite my lover back to me. and he did in less than 3 days my husband came back to me and started crying that i should please forgive him. I am so happy for what this spell caster did for me and my husband..You can as well contact Dr Godsent at :godsentspellhelp@gmail.com OR you can also call his cell phone at: +2349038002051

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  83. i am hear to give testimony of how i got back my husband, we got married for more than 9 years and have gotten two kids. thing were going well with us and we are always happy. until one day my husband started to behave in a way i could not understand, i was very confused by the way he treat me and the kids. later that month he did not come home again and he called me that he want a divorce, i asked him what have i done wrong to deserve this from him, all he was saying is that he want a divorce that he hate me and do not want to see me again in his life, i was mad and also frustrated do not know what to do,i was sick for more than 2 weeks because of the divorce. i love him so much he was everything to me without him my life is incomplete. i told my sister and she told me to contact a spell caster called Dr Ogboni of ogbonispelltemple@hotmail.com , i never believe in all this spell casting of a thing. i just want to try if something will come out of it. i contacted for the return of my husband to me, they told me that my husband have been taken by another woman, that she cast a spell on him that is why he hate me and also want us to divorce. then they told me that they have to cast a spell on him that will make him return to me and the kids, they casted the spell and after 2 days my husband called me and he told me that i should forgive him, he started to apologize on phone and said that he still love me that he did not know what happen to him that he left me. it was the spell that Dr Ogboni on him that make him come back to me today,me and my family are now happy again today. thank you Dr Ogboni for what you have done for me i would have been nothing today if not for your great spell. i want you my friends who are passing through all this kind of love problem of getting back their husband, wife , or ex boyfriend, ex lover and girlfriend to contact Dr Ogboni with this via email: ogbonispelltemple@hotmail.com

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  84. i am hear to give testimony of how i got back my husband, we got married for more than 9 years and have gotten two kids. thing were going well with us and we are always happy. until one day my husband started to behave in a way i could not understand, i was very confused by the way he treat me and the kids. later that month he did not come home again and he called me that he want a divorce, i asked him what have i done wrong to deserve this from him, all he was saying is that he want a divorce that he hate me and do not want to see me again in his life, i was mad and also frustrated do not know what to do,i was sick for more than 2 weeks because of the divorce. i love him so much he was everything to me without him my life is incomplete. i told my sister and she told me to contact a spell caster called Dr Ogboni of ogbonispelltemple@hotmail.com , i never believe in all this spell casting of a thing. i just want to try if something will come out of it. i contacted for the return of my husband to me, they told me that my husband have been taken by another woman, that she cast a spell on him that is why he hate me and also want us to divorce. then they told me that they have to cast a spell on him that will make him return to me and the kids, they casted the spell and after 2 days my husband called me and he told me that i should forgive him, he started to apologize on phone and said that he still love me that he did not know what happen to him that he left me. it was the spell that Dr Ogboni on him that make him come back to me today,me and my family are now happy again today. thank you Dr Ogboni for what you have done for me i would have been nothing today if not for your great spell. i want you my friends who are passing through all this kind of love problem of getting back their husband, wife , or ex boyfriend, ex lover and girlfriend to contact Dr Ogboni with this via email: ogbonispelltemple@hotmail.com

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  85. I am Shannon by name. Greetings to every one that is reading this testimony. I have been rejected by my husband after three(3) years of marriage just because another woman had a spell on him and he left me and the kid to suffer. one day when i was reading through the web, i saw a post on how this spell caster on this address Makospelltemple@yahoo.com , have help a woman to get back her husband and i gave him a reply to his address and he told me that a woman had a spell on my husband and he told me that he will help me and after 2 days that i will have my husband back. i believed him and today i am glad to let you all know that this spell caster have the power to bring lovers back. because i am now happy with my husband. Thanks for Dr.Mako. His email: Makospelltemple@yahoo.com

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  86. If i don't share my testimony then i will be selfish....stingy and an ungrateful woman.
    Dr Lucky the great brought back joy...happiness...into my life and took away tears..sorrow by bring back my marriage of 10 years with my husband with just on come and go reunion spell.
    i was a sad woman before i meet Dr Lucky but it took him just 24 hrs to change everything now am happy again because my man is always by my side. sharing this testimony so other people who are suffering from relationship problem can know that there is still hope with people like Dr Lucky around.
    pls contact him directly on : Email: mightbabalucky@gmail.com.
    Mrs kerry wilson
    U.S.A.

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  87. I wish to share my testimonies with the general public,This is a very joyful day of my life because of the help Dr.Ofemo did in my life, I was married to my husband we were together for a long time and we loved our self’s but when I was unable to give him a child for 1 years he left me and told me he can’t continue anymore then I was now looking for ways to get him back until a friend of mine told me about this man and gave his contact email drofemospelltemple@gmail.com then you won’t believe this when I contacted this man on my problems he cast a very strong spell for me and bring my lost husband back within 48hrs, and after a month I miss my monthly period and went for a test and the result showed that i was pregnant. i am happy today am a mother of a baby girl, thank you once again the great Dr Ofemo for what you have done for me.and now my husband always want to be by me and can not do anything without my present. i am really enjoying my marriage, what a great celebration. i will keep on testifying on the internet because Dr.Ofemo is truly a real spell caster. do you need help then contact Dr. Ofemo now via email:drofemospelltemple@gmail.com if you are in any condition related to love issue or getting your ex back,to have a happy family.email his address: drofemospelltemple@yahoo.com or call his telephone number:+2348163387496 or his web/site: http://drofemospelltemple.wix.com/dr-ofemo

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  88. I wish to share my testimonies with the general public,This is a very joyful day of my life because of the help Dr.Ofemo did in my life, I was married to my husband we were together for a long time and we loved our self’s but when I was unable to give him a child for 1 years he left me and told me he can’t continue anymore then I was now looking for ways to get him back until a friend of mine told me about this man and gave his contact email drofemospelltemple@gmail.com then you won’t believe this when I contacted this man on my problems he cast a very strong spell for me and bring my lost husband back within 48hrs, and after a month I miss my monthly period and went for a test and the result showed that i was pregnant. i am happy today am a mother of a baby girl, thank you once again the great Dr Ofemo for what you have done for me.and now my husband always want to be by me and can not do anything without my present. i am really enjoying my marriage, what a great celebration. i will keep on testifying on the internet because Dr.Ofemo is truly a real spell caster. do you need help then contact Dr. Ofemo now via email:drofemospelltemple@gmail.com if you are in any condition related to love issue or getting your ex back,to have a happy family.email his address: drofemospelltemple@yahoo.com or call his telephone number:+2348163387496 or his web/site: http://drofemospelltemple.wix.com/dr-ofemo..

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  89. My Name is Vera Patrick from USA,i want to use this opportunity to thank the Great DR ADUDU for helping in getting my Ex boyfriend back to me, i have been in great pains until the day i contacted DR ADUDU he casted a love spell for me and told me to wait for just 24 hours that my Ex boyfriend will call me and i did according to the instructions given to me by him and surprisingly, in 24 hours, my Ex Boyfriend really called me and started apologizing for all he had caused me. I am the happiest Woman on earth today because DR ADUDU has done a wonderful deeds in my life and i will continue to share this testimony, if you would love to contact DR ADUDU and if you know you are encountering same condition, visit him: draduduspelltemple@gmail.com is really a gifted man and i will not stop publishing him because he is a wonderful man... If you have a problem and you are looking for a real and genuine spell caster to solve all your problems for you.he is the answer to your problems. Here's his contact email:draduduspelltemple@gmail.com

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  90. My Name is Vera Patrick from USA,i want to use this opportunity to thank the Great DR ADUDU for helping in getting my Ex boyfriend back to me, i have been in great pains until the day i contacted DR ADUDU he casted a love spell for me and told me to wait for just 24 hours that my Ex boyfriend will call me and i did according to the instructions given to me by him and surprisingly, in 24 hours, my Ex Boyfriend really called me and started apologizing for all he had caused me. I am the happiest Woman on earth today because DR ADUDU has done a wonderful deeds in my life and i will continue to share this testimony, if you would love to contact DR ADUDU and if you know you are encountering same condition, visit him: draduduspelltemple@gmail.com is really a gifted man and i will not stop publishing him because he is a wonderful man... If you have a problem and you are looking for a real and genuine spell caster to solve all your problems for you.he is the answer to your problems. Here's his contact email:draduduspelltemple@gmail.com

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  91. My Name is Vera Patrick from USA,i want to use this opportunity to thank the Great DR ADUDU for helping in getting my Ex boyfriend back to me, i have been in great pains until the day i contacted DR ADUDU he casted a love spell for me and told me to wait for just 24 hours that my Ex boyfriend will call me and i did according to the instructions given to me by him and surprisingly, in 24 hours, my Ex Boyfriend really called me and started apologizing for all he had caused me. I am the happiest Woman on earth today because DR ADUDU has done a wonderful deeds in my life and i will continue to share this testimony, if you would love to contact DR ADUDU and if you know you are encountering same condition, visit him: draduduspelltemple@gmail.com is really a gifted man and i will not stop publishing him because he is a wonderful man... If you have a problem and you are looking for a real and genuine spell caster to solve all your problems for you.he is the answer to your problems. Here's his contact email:draduduspelltemple@gmail.com

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  92. My Name is Vera Patrick from USA,i want to use this opportunity to thank the Great DR ADUDU for helping in getting my Ex boyfriend back to me, i have been in great pains until the day i contacted DR ADUDU he casted a love spell for me and told me to wait for just 24 hours that my Ex boyfriend will call me and i did according to the instructions given to me by him and surprisingly, in 24 hours, my Ex Boyfriend really called me and started apologizing for all he had caused me. I am the happiest Woman on earth today because DR ADUDU has done a wonderful deeds in my life and i will continue to share this testimony, if you would love to contact DR ADUDU and if you know you are encountering same condition, visit him: draduduspelltemple@gmail.com is really a gifted man and i will not stop publishing him because he is a wonderful man... If you have a problem and you are looking for a real and genuine spell caster to solve all your problems for you.he is the answer to your problems. Here's his contact email:draduduspelltemple@gmail.com

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  93. My Name is Bruno Morgan, i am from Germany, I want to use this golden opportunity to appreciate the great spell caster called Dr. Ofemo for helping me get back my relationship with my ex girlfriend when i ended and turned her back on me for quite a long period of time. Dr. Ofemo performed a powerful spell for me and within 24 hours To my greatest surprise my ex girlfriend came home on her knees that i should find a place in my heart to forgive her,i was truly astonished and shocked when my ex girlfriend knelt down begging for forgiveness and for me to accept her back.. I am really short of expressions, and i don't know how much to convey my appreciation to you Dr. Ofemo you are a God sent to restore broken relationship. And now i am a joyful man.Email: Via: drofemospelltemple@gmail.com Anyone that is in the same line of problem or having difficulties in there marriages should contact: drofemospelltemple@yahoo.com or call his mobile number +2348163387496 or his web/site: http://drofemospelltemple.wix.com/dr-ofemo

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  94. My Name is Bruno Morgan, i am from Germany, I want to use this golden opportunity to appreciate the great spell caster called Dr. Ofemo for helping me get back my relationship with my ex girlfriend when i ended and turned her back on me for quite a long period of time. Dr. Ofemo performed a powerful spell for me and within 24 hours To my greatest surprise my ex girlfriend came home on her knees that i should find a place in my heart to forgive her,i was truly astonished and shocked when my ex girlfriend knelt down begging for forgiveness and for me to accept her back.. I am really short of expressions, and i don't know how much to convey my appreciation to you Dr. Ofemo you are a God sent to restore broken relationship. And now i am a joyful man.Email: Via: drofemospelltemple@gmail.com Anyone that is in the same line of problem or having difficulties in there marriages should contact: drofemospelltemple@yahoo.com or call his mobile number +2348163387496 or his web/site: http://drofemospelltemple.wix.com/dr-ofemo..

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  95. Husbands really need to be careful of other woman outside their marriage,this was a true life story that happened to me to my own notice my sister took my husband from me the Husband whom i have love so much and promise me that no woman will take him from me but all of a sudden things turned apart if not for my friend hear in USA that told me i needed a spell caster that can cast a spell to separate them maybe by now he must have went for a divorce which could have made me commit suicide because i loved him so much likewise like him also but how things turn around was a thing that surprised me.
    I vowed that any thing it could cost me i must separate him and my elder sister i then collected the contact of this spell caster from my friend Mary she told me his name is dr aluda and his email is aludaspelltemple@gmail.com i contacted him and narrated the whole story to him he consulted and found out that my sister visited a spell caster that casted a spell that made him love her i then ask him what to do he told me that this spell needed to be broken so that my husband can leave her alone and come back to me the spell was broken and within three days he began to hate her that he even beat her up before he said to her that it is over between him and her right now my husband is with me again and take good care of me like he have never done before i thank my friend Mary but i own all thanks to dr aluda for bringing back my husband and i therefore for advice that if you notice any strange behavior in your marriage or your boy friend or girlfriend is cheating you contact dr aluda to know the root of it he will surely help you out and give an everlasting solution to it.his email address again is aludaspelltemple@gmail.com
    Reggie Joan
    from usa

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  97. my name is Clark diana and am from USA, I want to use this opportunity to thank my great Doctor ZATO who really made my life a pleasurable one today. This great man Dr ZATO brought my husband back to me, i had two lovely kids for my husband, about four years ago i and my husband has been into one quarrel or the other until he finally left me for one lady. I felt my life was over and my kids thought they would never see their father again. I tried to be strong just for the kids but i could not control the pains that torments my heart, my heart was filled with sorrows and pains because i was really in love with my husband. Every day and night i think of him and always wish he would come back to me, until one day i met a good friend of mine that was also in a situation like me but her problem was her ex-boyfriend who she had an unwanted pregnancy for and he refused to take responsibility and dumped her. she told me that mine was a small case and that i should not worry about it at all, so i asked her what was the solution to my problems and she gave me this great man’s email address. zatolovespell@gmail.com I was doubting if this man was the solution, so i contacted this great man and he told me what to do and i deed them all, he told me to wait for just 48 hours and that my husband will come crawling on his kneels just for forgiveness so i faithfully did what this great man asked me to do and for sure after 48 hours i heard a knock on the door, in a great surprise i saw him on his kneels and i was speechless, when he saw me, all he did was crying and asking me for forgiveness, from that day, all the pains and sorrows in my heart flew away, since then i and my husband and our lovely kids are happy, that’s why i want to say a big thank you to Dr ZATO LOVE SPELL. This great man made me to understand that there is no problem on earth that has no solution so please if you know that you have this same problem or any problem that is similar, i will advise you to come straight to this great man. You can email him at: zatolovespell@gmail.com



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  98. My name is Weslie Vivian am from Canada i am very happy for the wonderful work Dr bolingo has done for me i got married to my lovely husband last year February and we have a lovely son. things was going well with us and we are living happily. until one day my husband started behaving in a strange manner i could not understand, i was very confused with the way he treat me and my son. later that month he did not come home again and he called me that he want a divorce, i asked him what have i done wrong to deserve this from him, all he was saying is that he want a divorce that he hate me and do not want to see me again in his life, i was sad and also frustrated i did not know what to do,i was sick for more than a week because of the divorce. i love him so much he his everything to me without him my life is incomplete. i told one of my child hood friend and she told me to contact a spell caster that she has listen to one woman who testify about dr bolingo and she has been hearing about him that i should try him i never believe in all this spell casting of a thing but i just say i should try if something will come out of it. i contacted Dr bolingo for the return of my husband to me, he told me that my husband have been taken by another woman. that she cast a spell on him that is why he hate me and also want to divorce me. then he told me that has to cast a spell on him that will make him return to me and my son, he casted the spell and after 1 day my husband came back home and started apologizing he said that he love me so much that he did not know what happen to him that he left me. it was the spell that Dr bolingo casted on him that make him come back to me,right now am so happy again. thank you Dr bolingo for what you have done for me i would have been nothing today if not for your great spell. this is to every one who is facing divorces or heart break by your lover i want you to contact him now because he can do it for you his powers is great and dont have any side effect in the future contact him through his mail: bolingospelltemple@gmail.com .contact him now and your problems will be solve for ever.once again thanks to dr bolingo.

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  99. My boyfriend had this girl that has been ruining his relationships for years, he broke up with her three years ago, but she still controls him and destroys most of his relationships. I was now a victim. She came again to take him away from me, she tried all she could, but I kept my faith strong and stayed with my boyfriend without allowing her more into him. She also confronted me, told me that there is nothing I will do to make her leave him alone; she warned seriously that I am endangering my life and she will soon act stronger than ever. I was afraid and started having doubt in my strength because my boyfriend has already started seeing her; all hope was almost lost, I don’t know how this evil lady controls him since the day there had a dramatic break up. I decided to help save the man I love even if we will not be together again. I went to friends for advice and visited blogs too. I found testimonies about Dr. Owolabi Love Spell and others, but my spirit chose him. I took courage and emailed him and my life changed since then. The evil lady’s power over my boyfriend was destroyed and she doesn’t have any spiritual connecting again with him. My boyfriend has changed; he is feeling so relieved and healthy now than before. He also emailed to thank Dr. Owolabi for the love spell and encouraged me to also share our own testimony on blogs. We are grateful for what you have done. Email him and receive your own miracle through owolabispellcasters@gmail.com

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  100. My name is lucas scott and am from USA, I want to use this opportunity to thank my great Doctor who really made my life a pleasurable one today. This great man Dr okika brought my lovely wife back to me, i had two lovely kids from my wife, about four years ago i and my wife has been into one quarrel or the other until she finally left me for one young guy. I felt my life was over and my kids thought they would never see their mum again. I tried to be strong just for the kids but i could not control the pains that torments in my heart, my heart was filled with sorrows and pains because i was really in love with my wife. Every day and night i think of her and always wish she would come back to me, until one day i met a good friend of mine that was also in a situation like me but her problem was her ex-boyfriend who she had an unwanted pregnancy for and he refused to take responsibility and dumped her. she told me that mine was a small case and that i should not worry about it at all, so i asked her what was the solution to my problems and she gave me this great man’s email address. I was doubting if this man was the solution, i contacted this great man and he told me what to do and i did them all, he told me to wait for just 48 hours and that my wife will come crawling on her kneels just for forgiveness so i faithfully did what this great man asked me to do and for sure after 48 hours she was back to me again contact Dr okika for help today on OKIKASPELLTEMPLE@GMAIL.COM OR OKIKASPELLTEMPLE@YAHOO.COM, TEL:+2348134367919..

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  101. I never believed in spell casting but After 6 years of dating my ex lover, I still imagine how Dr Ofemo brought my ex lover back to me in just 24 hour. No one could have ever made me believe that there is a real spell caster that really work. am Kate by name,I want to quickly tell the world that there is a real on line spell caster that is powerful and genuine, His name is Dr Ofemo, He helped me recently to reunite my relationship with my ex lover who left me, When i contacted Dr Ofemo he cast a love spell for me and my ex lover who said he doesn't have anything to do with me again called me and started begging me. he is back now with so much love and caring. today i am glad to let you all know that this spell caster have the powers of bring lovers back. because i am now happy with my lover,and the most surprise,is that our love is very strong,every day is happiness and joy. and there is nothing like been with the man you love.i am so happy my love is back to me with the help of Dr.Ofemo if you have similar problem i will advice you to contact him ,he is there to help you and put a smile on your face ask he did to me and others. his email: drofemospelltemple@gmail.com or his hot line:+2348163387496 You can contact him Via this email:drofemospelltemple@yahoo.com or contact him now website: http://drofemospelltemple.wix.com/dr-ofemo

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  102. I never believed in spell casting but After 6 years of dating my ex lover, I still imagine how Dr Ofemo brought my ex lover back to me in just 24 hour. No one could have ever made me believe that there is a real spell caster that really work. am Kate by name,I want to quickly tell the world that there is a real on line spell caster that is powerful and genuine, His name is Dr Ofemo, He helped me recently to reunite my relationship with my ex lover who left me, When i contacted Dr Ofemo he cast a love spell for me and my ex lover who said he doesn't have anything to do with me again called me and started begging me. he is back now with so much love and caring. today i am glad to let you all know that this spell caster have the powers of bring lovers back. because i am now happy with my lover,and the most surprise,is that our love is very strong,every day is happiness and joy. and there is nothing like been with the man you love.i am so happy my love is back to me with the help of Dr.Ofemo if you have similar problem i will advice you to contact him ,he is there to help you and put a smile on your face ask he did to me and others. his email: drofemospelltemple@gmail.com or his hot line:+2348163387496 You can contact him Via this email:drofemospelltemple@yahoo.com or contact him now website: http://drofemospelltemple.wix.com/dr-ofemo..

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  103. My name is MORGAN TRACY from USA My husband and I were happy as far as I could tell and I never thought that we would break up. When his cousin died in a tragic car accident he went back to London for a week to be with his family. I could not go because I was in the middle of entertaining out of town clients for work. He did not seem to be upset that I could not go so I let him be. The next thing that I know, he reconnected with an old friend from high school that he had a crush on years ago and they started to have an affair! I had no clue what was going on until a month after he came back from London.He proceeded to see both her and I until I caught him testing her one night. I confronted him and he told me the truth about what happened. We broke up and went our separate ways. Neither of us fought for our relationship. I was angry and decided not to be upset about it and just keep it moving. Then after about a month of not speaking to him I became sad. I wanted him to tell me that he wanted to be with me and not her. I contacted DR.JATTO for a love spell and he totally helped me! he was able to get him to miss me to where he wanted to get back together again. He had a lot of regrets and felt bad for not fighting to keep me and for cheating in general. He values our relationship so much more now and we are together now! You can also get your lover back with the help of DR.JATTO contact him through his email: drjattolovespelltemple@gmail.com or drjattolovespelltemple@yahoo.co.uk or call him through his mobile number: +2347050270268 or contact him directly through his website: http://drjattolovespelltemple.webs.com/..

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  104. My name is MORGAN TRACY from USA My husband and I were happy as far as I could tell and I never thought that we would break up. When his cousin died in a tragic car accident he went back to London for a week to be with his family. I could not go because I was in the middle of entertaining out of town clients for work. He did not seem to be upset that I could not go so I let him be. The next thing that I know, he reconnected with an old friend from high school that he had a crush on years ago and they started to have an affair! I had no clue what was going on until a month after he came back from London.He proceeded to see both her and I until I caught him testing her one night. I confronted him and he told me the truth about what happened. We broke up and went our separate ways. Neither of us fought for our relationship. I was angry and decided not to be upset about it and just keep it moving. Then after about a month of not speaking to him I became sad. I wanted him to tell me that he wanted to be with me and not her. I contacted DR.JATTO for a love spell and he totally helped me! he was able to get him to miss me to where he wanted to get back together again. He had a lot of regrets and felt bad for not fighting to keep me and for cheating in general. He values our relationship so much more now and we are together now! You can also get your lover back with the help of DR.JATTO contact him through his email: drjattolovespelltemple@gmail.com or drjattolovespelltemple@yahoo.co.uk or call him through his mobile number: +2347050270268 or contact him directly through his website: http://drjattolovespelltemple.webs.com/..

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  105. My name is MORGAN TRACY from USA My husband and I were happy as far as I could tell and I never thought that we would break up. When his cousin died in a tragic car accident he went back to London for a week to be with his family. I could not go because I was in the middle of entertaining out of town clients for work. He did not seem to be upset that I could not go so I let him be. The next thing that I know, he reconnected with an old friend from high school that he had a crush on years ago and they started to have an affair! I had no clue what was going on until a month after he came back from London.He proceeded to see both her and I until I caught him testing her one night. I confronted him and he told me the truth about what happened. We broke up and went our separate ways. Neither of us fought for our relationship. I was angry and decided not to be upset about it and just keep it moving. Then after about a month of not speaking to him I became sad. I wanted him to tell me that he wanted to be with me and not her. I contacted DR.JATTO for a love spell and he totally helped me! he was able to get him to miss me to where he wanted to get back together again. He had a lot of regrets and felt bad for not fighting to keep me and for cheating in general. He values our relationship so much more now and we are together now! You can also get your lover back with the help of DR.JATTO contact him through his email: drjattolovespelltemple@gmail.com or drjattolovespelltemple@yahoo.co.uk or call him through his mobile number: +2347050270268 or contact him directly through his website: http://drjattolovespelltemple.webs.com/..

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  106. My name is MORGAN TRACY from USA My husband and I were happy as far as I could tell and I never thought that we would break up. When his cousin died in a tragic car accident he went back to London for a week to be with his family. I could not go because I was in the middle of entertaining out of town clients for work. He did not seem to be upset that I could not go so I let him be. The next thing that I know, he reconnected with an old friend from high school that he had a crush on years ago and they started to have an affair! I had no clue what was going on until a month after he came back from London.He proceeded to see both her and I until I caught him testing her one night. I confronted him and he told me the truth about what happened. We broke up and went our separate ways. Neither of us fought for our relationship. I was angry and decided not to be upset about it and just keep it moving. Then after about a month of not speaking to him I became sad. I wanted him to tell me that he wanted to be with me and not her. I contacted DR.JATTO for a love spell and he totally helped me! he was able to get him to miss me to where he wanted to get back together again. He had a lot of regrets and felt bad for not fighting to keep me and for cheating in general. He values our relationship so much more now and we are together now! You can also get your lover back with the help of DR.JATTO contact him through his email: drjattolovespelltemple@gmail.com or drjattolovespelltemple@yahoo.co.uk or call him through his mobile number: +2347050270268 or contact him directly through his website: http://drjattolovespelltemple.webs.com/..

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  107. Good day to everyone who is reading my testimony, I am Brittany Hanny from Washington USA, presently Living In Canada, I am here to testify the goodness of the great female spell caster called Dr Sandra, for helping me to capture the heart of my man back to me, since he broke up with me, Life has not been easy for me to Live with, No happiness and joy, was all sad all through and feel rejected by the world, because anyone who I loved always brought an heart ache to me, I pleaded him so that we can come back again but he said no, I was so confused and does not know how to go with it, Until one special and glorious day, after reading about wonderful works which Dr Sandra has done for many other people, I decided to Contact and after contacting her, She told me what to do, I send the money to her to buy the requested materials, after 24 hours she mailed me back and said she is through with the spell and my lover is going to come back to me after three days, I was so happy and I believed in her words. To my own greatest surprise My Love came back to me apologise to me and Promise to Love me forever all times in all his endeavors and promise never to let me down anymore. I am so happy today because Dr has done the greatest for me and make me a proud woman of myself too, If you are in Need of a Real Spell Caster to help you also to bring your partner, Loved Ones back to you, I will advise you not to be afraid anymore, all your pains are over if only you contact Dr Sandra Via her email address SANDRASOLUTIONHOME@OUTLOOK.COM and also visit her websites here with the Link below http://sandrasolutionhome.webs.com

    Thanks Doc

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  108. this is real take it serious, who will believe that a herb can cure ten years HIV in my body, i never believe that this will work i have spend a lot when getting drugs from the hospital to keep me healthy, what i was waiting for is death because i was broke, one day i hard about this great man who is well know of HIV and cancer cure, i decided to email him, unknowingly to me that this will be the end of the HIV aids in my body, he prepare the herb for me, and give me instruction on how to take it, at the end of the two week, he told me to go to the hospital for a check up, and i went, surprisingly after the test the doctor confirm me negative, i thought it was a joke, i went to other hospital was also negative, then i took my friend who was also HIV positive to the Dr, after the treatment she was also confirm negative . He also have the herb to cure cancer please i want every one with this virus to be free, that is why am dropping his email address, hiv.aids.curing.center@gmail.com i want you to email him he is a great man. the government is also interested in this DR.hiv.aids.curing.center thank you for saving my life, and I promise I will always testify for your good work

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  109. How I GOT MY EX HUSBAND BACK...........

    My Names is Morgan ,AM from United states .i never believed in love spells or magic until i met this spell caster once when i went to Africa in June last year on a business summit i meet a man called Dr edudu, is powerful he could help you cast a spells to bring back my love s gone misbehaving lover looking for some one to love you bring back lost money and magic money spell or spell for a good job i m now happy & a living testimony cos the man i had wanted to marry left me 4weeks before our wedding and my life was upside down cos our relationship has been on for 3 year i really loved him, but his mother was against me and he had no good paying job so when i met this spell caster, i told him what happened and explained the situation of things to him at first i was undecided,skeptical and doubtful, but i just gave it a try and in 6 days when i returned to taxes my boyfriend (is now my husband ) he called me by himself and came to me apologizing that everything had been settled with his mom and family and he got a new job interview so we should get married i didn't believe it cos the spell caster only asked for my name and my boyfriends name and all i wanted him to do well we are happily married now and we are expecting our little kid and my husband also got a new job and our lives became much better in case anyone needs the spell caster for some help his email address: eduduspellsolutiontemple@gmail.com

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